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Hello Nigel,

It is very easy to get muddled with the details of the restrictions for cat B licence holders.

Having looked at your posting of 27 Jan 2010 12:47 PM I think tits seems evenmore complicated than it needs to be.

The subject has been covered quite extensively before and I think it was Timothy who found a very useful and succinct web page from Ifor Williams trailers.

file:///C:/Users/JGC/Documents/Downloads/ltt%20(1).pdf

It is far better to understand the legal acronyms used such as MAM GTW GVW etc, as they have specific meanings, and they are important here.
 
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Here is a copy of Practical Caravans own guide contained on this website which I reproduce here......

Licence gained after 1 January 1997

If you gained your licence on or after 1 January 1997, then you will be restricted to driving or towing with a car (or light commercial vehicle) with a maximum weight of 3500kg. Note this is not the actual weight as loaded, but the vehicle's maximum allowable weight, or gross vehicle weight, as set by the manufacturers - you will find this in your car's handbook.

You can tow a trailer or caravan with this licence, but its maximum weight must not exceed 750kg - giving a total possible maximum outfit weight of 4250kg. If you wish to pull a caravan weighing more than 750kg (in practice, this covers all conventional caravans), you must follow the restriction that the maximum allowed weight of the car-plus-caravan combination weighs no more than 3500kg, and that the caravan's maximum weight does not exceed 100 percent of the car's unladen weight (this is not the same as the car's kerbweight - have a look at the panel on this page for a full explanation).

What makes this rule appear rather odd is that if you wish to tow a trailer that weighs over 750kg, you actually end up with a lower total limit for the car-plus-caravan outfit than you would if you were towing a trailer under 750kg, where the total can be 4250kg.

If you want to exceed any of the above limits, you need to take a further driving test. For post-1997 drivers, a B+E test (E refers to entitlement to tow trailers over 750kg) can be arranged to give you the same rights as the pre-1997 car driver. It is not a hard test for a seasoned caravanner, but a novice would need some instruction. Professional tuition is advisable but not compulsory, though you will need to do a lot of homework on the test details and minimum test vehicle requirements if you do this yourself. Some test details are available to view on the Driving Standards Agency (DSA) website (www.dsa.gov.uk - go to the Learners' section) and on the Driving Instructors Association (DIA) (www.driving.org, which has a search facility for driving instructors by postcode).

Tests take place at Goods Vehicle Test Centres, but finding an instructor to help you practice may be hard. For advice on finding tuition and on arranging a test, your best bet would be to contact the DSA or DIA.

There are currently European Union (EU) proposals to change the maximum weight of trailers that can be towed by a car licence holder - at least so the regulations are easier to understand - so although existing rights will probably be preserved, future licence entitlements may well be different from those that currently exist. Concerned that any further changes will be a disincentive for young caravanners, the caravan industry in the UK is campaigning for 'no change', or at least only a minimal change, but as this article goes to press the outcome is still undecided.

http://www.practicalcaravan.com/features/caravanlaw.html
 
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Hello Nigel,

It is very easy to get muddled with the details of the restrictions for cat B licence holders.

Having looked at your posting of 27 Jan 2010 12:47 PM I think tits seems evenmore complicated than it needs to be.

The subject has been covered quite extensively before and I think it was Timothy who found a very useful and succinct web page from Ifor Williams trailers.

file:///C:/Users/JGC/Documents/Downloads/ltt%20(1).pdf

It is far better to understand the legal acronyms used such as MAM GTW GVW etc, as they have specific meanings, and they are important here.
Sorry that link wont work, but lookup http://www.iwt.co.uk/customer-care/faq-categories/1358/1761

and use the link to

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If you guys want to overcomplicate and nit-pick it's your choice ...

The purpose of my second post.. the one from the trailer info was to show that actual weights don't matter .. it is authorised weights that are used... in all calculations (and prosecutions).

The deliberate non-use of acronyms was because the VIN plate gives the accurate information for every towing vehicle... and the caravan plate does the same for the trailer, in this case.

Every driver, no matter what license he/she holds.. needs only to obtain the 3 figures from those 2 plates, and do some simple maths(addition and subtraction). The labels matter not, it is the size of the answer that matters.

It really is VERY simple
 
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As Stephen pointed out, you still need to know what the actual 'unladen weight' of your car is as the MAM of the caravan must not exceed this if you drive with a 'B' licence and you won't find the unladen weight on the VIN plate, only in the V5c certificate as 'Mass in Service'.
 
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Hello again Nigel,

You may consider this reply as nit picking if you wish, but the devil is in the detail, and whilst an outfit may be quite safe in mechanical terms, if it exceeds the permitted limits of your licence then the driver is in trouble.

For that reason alone, understanding which figures to use and how to use them is important.

I refer to your posting of 27 Jan 2010 12:47 PM in which your last point states

"Finally, the maximum trailer weight from the trailer plate must be less than item 3. The answer is the maximum trailer weight"

With the understanding that item 3 refers to the 'maximum vehicle weight', then your statement is wrong.

For a category B only driver the maximum trailer weight must not exceed the car's kerbweight.

Unfortunately if a driver took your advice and used a caravan whose MAM is greater than the cars kerbweight they would in fact be driving illegally.

Officials who check a vehicle for compliance with a B only licence, do not have all the information on they require on the vehicles. The Kerbweight is not stated figure on car plates.

Well done for trying to explain it, but I have yet to find a simpler and more concise (and accurate) summary than the Ifor Williams diagram found below:

http://www.iwt.co.uk/customer-care/faq-categories/1358/1761
and use the link to

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The fact that even official sources refer to basically the same thing using different terms, doesn't help. Depending on what source you read they talk about unladen weight, kerbweight or MIRO or Mass in Service. The same applies to MAM, GVW, and MTPLM. It would help if at least officialdom were to be consistent in their terminology.
 

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