I posted the following link on another forum and having lived in apartheid South Africa was quite surprised at the totally negative response as one has good and bad in every part of society. Almost blatant discrimination. We bought out first caravan from gypsies or travellers and it was a good sound caravan. When we traded it it a few months later we got back what we paid for it. Why does every one seem to lump all gypsies and travellers under the same?heading.http://www.cre.gov.uk/gdpract/g_and_t_facts.html
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"Why does every one seem to lump all gypsies and travellers under the same?"
Ian, if you read the posts correctly you will see that I made distinct separation between Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers and I'm sure others did too.
Take your head out of the sand mate and get real. It is happening so theres no need to pretend it doesn't.
Ian, if you read the posts correctly you will see that I made distinct separation between Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers and I'm sure others did too.
Take your head out of the sand mate and get real. It is happening so theres no need to pretend it doesn't.
At the end of the day are we all not Travellers we all own either tourers,motorhomes, homes on wheels . Although most of us do not live in them year in year out, but some have decided to do so, so are these people now called gypsies,tinkers,pikies etc,etc Liz.
Liz, it doesn't matter what you label yourself. What matters is how you lead your life, whether you live in a castle, bedsit, caraven, tent or cardboard box.
Once one becomes anti-social and it starts affecting others and making others lives miserable is the point to consider.
I have no problems with anyone until they impact on my life.
Although I have a caravan I also have a fixed abode so no, I'm not categorised as a traveller in that sense of the word.
Regarding your comment "so are these people now called gypsies,tinkers,pikies etc,etc " the answer no because Irish Travellers and Romany's are classed as ethnic minorities.
Once one becomes anti-social and it starts affecting others and making others lives miserable is the point to consider.
I have no problems with anyone until they impact on my life.
Although I have a caravan I also have a fixed abode so no, I'm not categorised as a traveller in that sense of the word.
Regarding your comment "so are these people now called gypsies,tinkers,pikies etc,etc " the answer no because Irish Travellers and Romany's are classed as ethnic minorities.
Hi Lord B, I think you are wrong in away, people who give us their homes are generally, I quote generally called by the public as gypsies,travellers,pikies, I learnt a long time ago do not judge a book by its cover which is true.
I agree as long as nobody interferes with me and my family I get along with most folk, whoever they may be.
Liz
I agree as long as nobody interferes with me and my family I get along with most folk, whoever they may be.
Liz
Hi Essexeddie, I have lived next door to all sorts, gypsies are the least of my worries. Liz (Site Warden)
Please note that we have go and bad in all societies. Even we as caranners are not blameless. Our own English society has it s fair share of robbers, thieves and murderers. I am definitely not a liberal but I don't condemn a entire race or an ethnic minority because of a few bad apples.
As a person who is married into a family who travelled for years doing farm work where they could I have some (limited) knowledge of their life style.
I have to say that I have through my 25 years of married life, had more trouble with nosy neighbours than I've ever had with travellers. Any traveller will tell you all they want is to be respected and left to get on with their lives.
The Irish tink's are the 5% that spoil it for the rest.
We hold the belief that people should "live and let live" as there is far too much interferanc ethese days in what people do with their lives.
For example I had a neighbour who objected to me taking our family company's transit home. She made up supposed accidents, got the council and the police involved and finally th local paper. She even rang the firm to try to dob in me the driver for getting home early. When the paper got involved I had to threaten liable action if a word was printed and guess what? They said, did I want a story "truck driver being harrased". To which I said that all I wanted was to be left alone.
But then 15 years on, it's perfectly fine for the same neighbor to run a three van plumbing business from her house.
All I'll say is DOUBLE STANDARDS!!
I love to retreat to our local site at Builth wells where there is no neighbor wars or class destinction and hardly any phone reception. Ah, that's the good life.
Steve L.
I have to say that I have through my 25 years of married life, had more trouble with nosy neighbours than I've ever had with travellers. Any traveller will tell you all they want is to be respected and left to get on with their lives.
The Irish tink's are the 5% that spoil it for the rest.
We hold the belief that people should "live and let live" as there is far too much interferanc ethese days in what people do with their lives.
For example I had a neighbour who objected to me taking our family company's transit home. She made up supposed accidents, got the council and the police involved and finally th local paper. She even rang the firm to try to dob in me the driver for getting home early. When the paper got involved I had to threaten liable action if a word was printed and guess what? They said, did I want a story "truck driver being harrased". To which I said that all I wanted was to be left alone.
But then 15 years on, it's perfectly fine for the same neighbor to run a three van plumbing business from her house.
All I'll say is DOUBLE STANDARDS!!
I love to retreat to our local site at Builth wells where there is no neighbor wars or class destinction and hardly any phone reception. Ah, that's the good life.
Steve L.
Surely you couldn't have forgot when the Irish Travellers closed the Southern Ave. trading estate in Leominster Steve. That almost became a war zone between them and the business owners.
Also when more travellers threw off the Romany gypsies at the Pembridge gypsy site, like they did in Hereford. That actually DID become a war zone between them and the villagers. One of the local farmers drove his tractor and muck spreader to the site and sprayed them with cow dung. I was on duty that day and heard it all going on over our radio.
Also when more travellers threw off the Romany gypsies at the Pembridge gypsy site, like they did in Hereford. That actually DID become a war zone between them and the villagers. One of the local farmers drove his tractor and muck spreader to the site and sprayed them with cow dung. I was on duty that day and heard it all going on over our radio.
Hi All
Firstly I have a good friend who had the wheels fall off his van near to us and settled in the village becoming a valued member of our community ,so I know it can be done, but my farm has now become like fort knox since an illegal camp set up a year ago, diesel tanks emptied workshop cleared, rubbish in gateways loads of tires in fields, how do I know its them, well who else would leave empty gas bottles at the same time.
Firstly I have a good friend who had the wheels fall off his van near to us and settled in the village becoming a valued member of our community ,so I know it can be done, but my farm has now become like fort knox since an illegal camp set up a year ago, diesel tanks emptied workshop cleared, rubbish in gateways loads of tires in fields, how do I know its them, well who else would leave empty gas bottles at the same time.
We live in Aldershot at the moment and there are numerous "traveller" permanent approved sites in the area.
How many would you I or the police be welcome call on ? Do we talk about the adjoining properties that are robbed from these sites when they close on a near daily basis or may be the Aldershot site that is very well known puppy farm but the authorities are to frightened to try and enter.
Ten miles away acres of land had thousands of tons of rubble dumped on it and was ruined by the travellers that purchased it, locals were to frightened to leave their homes caravans were stolen and sheds raided and local shops raided by the kids as the parents harangued the shop keepers and then committed acts of violence against them when they tried to restrict entry numbers to one at a time to prevent the thefts. The site was also linked correctly to the murder a rival "traveller" the Police spent many days trying to gain entry and roads were closed to outsiders the police had to set up camp in a nearby fire station whilst locals had to put up with the constant overhead noise of the police helicopter for days on end before the "army" of police could gain safe entry in force.
That exact details of that incident and a cancelled PR visit to aid traveller relations by politicians to that very site and others are as usual kept from general public knowledge via the press reporting in case it is interpreted as Racism.
Not all from "traveller" stock are bad, but do tell of a safe friendly traveller site where all would be welcome within 30 miles of here.
It's not only a UK problem and is why some European campsites banned four wheel caravans.
As a site warden, how popular would Liz be with her management and customers if she invited the typical gallant road side travellers to stay on her site.
If we are all equal as law abiders when we travel with our vans why do we all not use legal camp sites such as Liz's and I also wonder why so many camp sites bar commercial type tow vehicles and if there is a link?
How many would you I or the police be welcome call on ? Do we talk about the adjoining properties that are robbed from these sites when they close on a near daily basis or may be the Aldershot site that is very well known puppy farm but the authorities are to frightened to try and enter.
Ten miles away acres of land had thousands of tons of rubble dumped on it and was ruined by the travellers that purchased it, locals were to frightened to leave their homes caravans were stolen and sheds raided and local shops raided by the kids as the parents harangued the shop keepers and then committed acts of violence against them when they tried to restrict entry numbers to one at a time to prevent the thefts. The site was also linked correctly to the murder a rival "traveller" the Police spent many days trying to gain entry and roads were closed to outsiders the police had to set up camp in a nearby fire station whilst locals had to put up with the constant overhead noise of the police helicopter for days on end before the "army" of police could gain safe entry in force.
That exact details of that incident and a cancelled PR visit to aid traveller relations by politicians to that very site and others are as usual kept from general public knowledge via the press reporting in case it is interpreted as Racism.
Not all from "traveller" stock are bad, but do tell of a safe friendly traveller site where all would be welcome within 30 miles of here.
It's not only a UK problem and is why some European campsites banned four wheel caravans.
As a site warden, how popular would Liz be with her management and customers if she invited the typical gallant road side travellers to stay on her site.
If we are all equal as law abiders when we travel with our vans why do we all not use legal camp sites such as Liz's and I also wonder why so many camp sites bar commercial type tow vehicles and if there is a link?
It looks more and more like we need a Special Unit of Police to deal with groups like these. Say 100 officers based in the Midlands who then could be deployed as required, to check on or move these people on as required.
If you don't abide by the standards of normal living you have no rights.If you speed you are convicted, if you commit robbery you go to jail. If you live in a lay by you should be moved on.
Val & Frank
If you don't abide by the standards of normal living you have no rights.If you speed you are convicted, if you commit robbery you go to jail. If you live in a lay by you should be moved on.
Val & Frank
They do use legal sites Ria. Last October we popped into town for some shopping and when we arrived back there was Irish Travellers on the next pitch to us. They were arguing and drinking into the late hours sat outside. In the van were 4 adults and 3 children. The difference though was we paid for our pitch/electric and they never. Thankfully they left after the owners told them they were closing the site because of the flood warnings on the River Wye.
I guess many Caravanner's have experienced unfortunate behaviour from people from people of all ages and types on Caravan Sites.
What you are saying Lord Braykewynde suggests that the site owners had to use subterfuge to rid the site of these troublemaker's as they feared for what would happen if they just asked the clients to leave.
Why were they asked to leave in such a way, surely with a polite word they would have understood the error of their ways and could have been given another chance and then paid for the hospitality afforded to them be the sites owners
Ria
What you are saying Lord Braykewynde suggests that the site owners had to use subterfuge to rid the site of these troublemaker's as they feared for what would happen if they just asked the clients to leave.
Why were they asked to leave in such a way, surely with a polite word they would have understood the error of their ways and could have been given another chance and then paid for the hospitality afforded to them be the sites owners
Ria
We have always called these people moden travellers being they are mainly people who worked hard, used their brains to achieve this and deserve this rich way of life of exploring the planet.Unlike those that think the world owes them a living.
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