Hi all i am thinking of getting tyron bands and was wondering where was the best place to get these fit.Does anybody know whether the wheels have to be balanced after these have been fit and if so can these mobile fitters who come out still balance the wheels.I have looked about and kwickfit advertise that they fit tyron bands, does anybody recommend anyone else, thanks alot Mike.
tyron bands
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Hello Michael,
There was an extensive debate about the pros and cons Tyron bands a few months back.
Ther is a lot of advertising hype about these products, but very little hard evidence they make a significant difference.
They are designed to prevent the tyre from being shred from the wheel rim where the tyre has deflated but remains with its side walls intact, but they offer no advantage I can see where the tyre has suffered a blow out.
You probably get as much protection by checking your tyres are correctly inflated.
I personally do not consider them to be necessary, but others do.
As for balancing the wheels definitely yes.
There was an extensive debate about the pros and cons Tyron bands a few months back.
Ther is a lot of advertising hype about these products, but very little hard evidence they make a significant difference.
They are designed to prevent the tyre from being shred from the wheel rim where the tyre has deflated but remains with its side walls intact, but they offer no advantage I can see where the tyre has suffered a blow out.
You probably get as much protection by checking your tyres are correctly inflated.
I personally do not consider them to be necessary, but others do.
As for balancing the wheels definitely yes.
Well the people who i have talked to who have tyron bands fitted are please they had them fitted on chap had a blow out on the M1 and was abel to steer his caravan to safety due to having the bands fitted. Also you get a discount on your insurance for having them fitted. So it not olny save lives they also save you money.
Tyron bands were invented for the military in case a bullet going through the side wall. By preventing the tyre from coming off allowed the vehcile to continue out of harm's way. I assume that bullet through the side wall and a blow out are very similar as I have experienced both.
I think you are confusing Tyron bands with other products developed by Tyron for the military, allowing the vehicle to continue after a blowout. Tyron bands most certainly do not have any run-flat properties. Like I have said before, no-one has ever produced any evidence that the ability to keep an outfit under control is any worse without Tyron bands (under the same prevailing conditions).
Hi Michael
I had them fitted on my last van and although I have not had a puncture to comment on I am going to get them fitted again on the new van. I have seen the video that the company produced and unless they are deliberately deceiving the public it looked pretty convincing to me.
You should be able to get them fitted at HiQ tyre outlets or check on Tyron's website for your nearest stockist, I suspect caravan dealers might be the most expensive option.
Dave
I had them fitted on my last van and although I have not had a puncture to comment on I am going to get them fitted again on the new van. I have seen the video that the company produced and unless they are deliberately deceiving the public it looked pretty convincing to me.
You should be able to get them fitted at HiQ tyre outlets or check on Tyron's website for your nearest stockist, I suspect caravan dealers might be the most expensive option.
Dave
The video that Davis is referring to only shows how the vehicle reacted with Tyron bands. It does not show how the vehicle would have reacted without them under the same conditions. From my experience with a blow out on my caravan last summer, it would not have been any worse.
Is there some confusion here over what Tyron are about?
http://www.ballistics.com.au/runflat/tyronhistory.php
http://www.ballistics.com.au/runflat/media.php
http://www.ballistics.com.au/runflat/accreditations.php
Lutz's post has left me confused yet again, I thought Tyron bands were about keeping vehicles under control when a tyre blows.
Run flat is a side issue.
http://www.ballistics.com.au/runflat/tyronhistory.php
http://www.ballistics.com.au/runflat/media.php
http://www.ballistics.com.au/runflat/accreditations.php
Lutz's post has left me confused yet again, I thought Tyron bands were about keeping vehicles under control when a tyre blows.
Run flat is a side issue.
As an answer to the original question I had my Tyron bands fitted by the caravan dealer who supplied them. I had Tyrons fitted to my previous caravan, and rather than move them from the Elddis I had to the Coachman I bought, the dealer gave me a large discount on a new set, and they fitted them.
I'm not getting into a debate on the pros and cons of having them fitted, the fact of the matter is I like them to be fitted to my caravan, and I hope I never have to use them.
David
I'm not getting into a debate on the pros and cons of having them fitted, the fact of the matter is I like them to be fitted to my caravan, and I hope I never have to use them.
David
Let me try to clarify the confusion, Euro. Ian was talking about Tyron bands able to, quote, "allow the vehicle to continue out of harm's way", if the tyre was penetrated by a bullet, i.e. after a blowout. This suggests some sort of run-flat property that Tyron bands definitely do not have.
The claims made by Tyron are that the bands prevent the tyre from coming off the rim and that this, in turn, reduces the risk of the outfit from getting out of control. However, if a blowout occurs at motorway speeds, the tyre will be torn to shreads by the time you come to a stop and only the innermost bead of the tyre will remain on the rim by then anyway, whether with or without Tyron bands. Tyron bands can do nothing to prevent the loss of the tyre tread and sidewalls. The little that does remain (whether this is due to a restraining effect of Tyron bands or not) will provide next to no rubber contact with the road surface and you will probably even find that the wheel is already running on the rim before you stop. Consequently, there is nothing left of the blown tyre to provide any additional stability. So what is there left for Tyron bands to do? At best they can prevent the remaining bead from coming off the rim, but as the bead on its own is of no help, I do not see the point of Tyron bands. Besides, my experience is that even without them, the bead will stay on the rim. I had a blowout immediately before a motorway exit and was able to slow down from about 60mph and negotiate the exit safely even with the wheel running on the rim by then.
The claims made by Tyron are that the bands prevent the tyre from coming off the rim and that this, in turn, reduces the risk of the outfit from getting out of control. However, if a blowout occurs at motorway speeds, the tyre will be torn to shreads by the time you come to a stop and only the innermost bead of the tyre will remain on the rim by then anyway, whether with or without Tyron bands. Tyron bands can do nothing to prevent the loss of the tyre tread and sidewalls. The little that does remain (whether this is due to a restraining effect of Tyron bands or not) will provide next to no rubber contact with the road surface and you will probably even find that the wheel is already running on the rim before you stop. Consequently, there is nothing left of the blown tyre to provide any additional stability. So what is there left for Tyron bands to do? At best they can prevent the remaining bead from coming off the rim, but as the bead on its own is of no help, I do not see the point of Tyron bands. Besides, my experience is that even without them, the bead will stay on the rim. I had a blowout immediately before a motorway exit and was able to slow down from about 60mph and negotiate the exit safely even with the wheel running on the rim by then.
Tyron bands prevent the tyre beed falling into the trough between the two sides of the rim, thus helping the tyre to stay in place and that aids to controlling the vehicle.
At speed tyre beed and egde dropping in to the central trough of the wheel is what causes much of the damage to a tyre and helps destroy it, the vital point that seems to have been missed.
Your example was probably helped by straight lining Lutz, you were probably just extremely lucky! Have a look at Tyrons example of a caravan towed at over 100mph.
At speed tyre beed and egde dropping in to the central trough of the wheel is what causes much of the damage to a tyre and helps destroy it, the vital point that seems to have been missed.
Your example was probably helped by straight lining Lutz, you were probably just extremely lucky! Have a look at Tyrons example of a caravan towed at over 100mph.
Parksy
Moderator
As the bead alone seves no purpose, it doesn't make any difference if it falls into the trough. However, in my case, the bead stayed right where it was, even without Tyron bands and even though I had to negotiate a bend when exiting the motorway. The problem with Tyron's claims is that they don't show how the tyre would have performed without their Tyron bands. Would it have been any worse? They suggest that it would, but they don't provide any convincing proof and from my experience I would say it wouldn't have made any difference.
I don't want to get involved the pros and cons but there must be a lot of people who could contribute by saying what happened when they had a blowout without Tyron bands and it would be interesting to hear from them
Perhaps a posting about punctures and the loss of tyre etc would get the necessary feed back to provide the information that Tyron don't show
Perhaps a posting about punctures and the loss of tyre etc would get the necessary feed back to provide the information that Tyron don't show
Parksy I've been told that I've met the Stig but I still don't know who the current one is, but former Stig Perry McCarthy was not so secret if you knew the right people.
My husband was at a test track where Tyron bands were being tested and even the most hardened sceptics were won over.
Lutz's suggests that Tyron don't provide any convincing proof.
Is Lutz suggesting that Tyron are running a huge con trick? Military, Police, Fire and other emergency and specialist services around the world who use Tyron Bands have all been conned and have not compared and tested the product.
As a race engineer my husband has probably seen hundreds of tyre failures and has worked with some of the best tyre technical people in the world.
UK military do not spend money on untested or unproven goods and Tyron also have Nato approval and are approved by US and other military.
A tyres fitted bead edges falling in to the trough (wheels well) is a critical factor as any real tyre expert will tell you.
Lutz was just very very lucky, if there is a next time he may get the hell ride that many others have had when a tyre puntures.
My husband was at a test track where Tyron bands were being tested and even the most hardened sceptics were won over.
Lutz's suggests that Tyron don't provide any convincing proof.
Is Lutz suggesting that Tyron are running a huge con trick? Military, Police, Fire and other emergency and specialist services around the world who use Tyron Bands have all been conned and have not compared and tested the product.
As a race engineer my husband has probably seen hundreds of tyre failures and has worked with some of the best tyre technical people in the world.
UK military do not spend money on untested or unproven goods and Tyron also have Nato approval and are approved by US and other military.
A tyres fitted bead edges falling in to the trough (wheels well) is a critical factor as any real tyre expert will tell you.
Lutz was just very very lucky, if there is a next time he may get the hell ride that many others have had when a tyre puntures.
To put it bluntly, Shady Sadie, without convincing proof that an outfit handles any worse without Tyron bands, yes, I do think that they are marketing a product of dubious worth. They only show how well the vehicle handles with Tyron bands, but not how much worse off one would be without them. This, to my mind, is deceptive. Glowing reports from people who have had them fitted and suffered no accident following a blowout don't prove that they would have had an accident without them.
Adequate comparative data is available from the respective car manufacturers and OEM suppliers regarding the performance of other safety related products, such as seat belts, ABS, airbags, ESP, etc. but absolutely nothing similar has ever been provided for Tyron bands. If they were really so good as they claim, then why doesn't any car or caravan manufacturer offer them as standard or at least as a production option?
Adequate comparative data is available from the respective car manufacturers and OEM suppliers regarding the performance of other safety related products, such as seat belts, ABS, airbags, ESP, etc. but absolutely nothing similar has ever been provided for Tyron bands. If they were really so good as they claim, then why doesn't any car or caravan manufacturer offer them as standard or at least as a production option?
Damian
Moderator
Just a reminder thatthe subject is Tyron bands, lets NOT pick out one contributers valid opinions and make this a personal thing.
Every contributer has a right to their opinion, not to have that opinion torn to shreds without full and verifiable data to back it up.
Every contributer has a right to their opinion, not to have that opinion torn to shreds without full and verifiable data to back it up.
Tyron bands take time to fit and have to be taken off when fitting a new tyre I seem to remember. Tyre is fitted to the rim and then compressed to enable the bans to be fitted.
If you think that the Tyron Bands has not been tested against tyres and wheels with out them fitted you have missed out sonewhere Lutz. Tyron were developed with assistance from Avon Tyres, who know a thing or to more about tyre behaviour than you or I.
I know nothing of German, European or other Military procurement procedures, but if you think that Tyron would be purchased by the UK Military without comprehensive testing and comaparison to wheels without Tyron you are barking up the wrong tree.
I don't think Police and other pro drivers who drive under extreme conditions would endorse the products without experience and proof either.
I believe that some caravan manufacturers do offer Tyron bands as an optional extra as do some specialist vehicle manufacturers.
Fitting, cost and low chances of tyre failure are proabably why they are not more widely used.
When David saw them tested a Range Rover without the bands had the tyre punctured at a lower speed to protect the driver and ended up out of control and off the track, with the bands the drivers were fully in control.
You are completely wrong with your post about the tyres edge falling in to a wheels trough (well) Lutz and obviously have little knowledge re tyre behaviour when they deflate at speed.
To be blunt as well, why not challenge Tyron themselves rather than push weak theories here. Tyron also have a good export market and are sold in the overly litigious USA to military and emergencyy services. No doubt they are happy to risk being sued for using untested un proven safety aid that they also endorse!
As Germany puts funds in to Nato, why not question where your money is going to as well.
If you think that the Tyron Bands has not been tested against tyres and wheels with out them fitted you have missed out sonewhere Lutz. Tyron were developed with assistance from Avon Tyres, who know a thing or to more about tyre behaviour than you or I.
I know nothing of German, European or other Military procurement procedures, but if you think that Tyron would be purchased by the UK Military without comprehensive testing and comaparison to wheels without Tyron you are barking up the wrong tree.
I don't think Police and other pro drivers who drive under extreme conditions would endorse the products without experience and proof either.
I believe that some caravan manufacturers do offer Tyron bands as an optional extra as do some specialist vehicle manufacturers.
Fitting, cost and low chances of tyre failure are proabably why they are not more widely used.
When David saw them tested a Range Rover without the bands had the tyre punctured at a lower speed to protect the driver and ended up out of control and off the track, with the bands the drivers were fully in control.
You are completely wrong with your post about the tyres edge falling in to a wheels trough (well) Lutz and obviously have little knowledge re tyre behaviour when they deflate at speed.
To be blunt as well, why not challenge Tyron themselves rather than push weak theories here. Tyron also have a good export market and are sold in the overly litigious USA to military and emergencyy services. No doubt they are happy to risk being sued for using untested un proven safety aid that they also endorse!
As Germany puts funds in to Nato, why not question where your money is going to as well.
Damian
Moderator
Taken from Tyron website:
"WHY TYRON?
When a tyre deflates, air pressure can no longer hold it in its correct place on the wheel, so it becomes free to move about and the tyre's beads can slip over and into the 'well' of the wheel allowing the tyre to flail, or dangerously flap about"
Taken from Shadie Sadies reply :
"You are completely wrong with your post about the tyres edge falling in to a wheels trough (well) Lutz and obviously have little knowledge re tyre behaviour when they deflate at speed."
As this has yet again become a personal attack situation , with at least one contributer not knowing very much about the product they are so vociferous about it has to end.
ANY more attack postings and the whole topic WILL be deleted.
"WHY TYRON?
When a tyre deflates, air pressure can no longer hold it in its correct place on the wheel, so it becomes free to move about and the tyre's beads can slip over and into the 'well' of the wheel allowing the tyre to flail, or dangerously flap about"
Taken from Shadie Sadies reply :
"You are completely wrong with your post about the tyres edge falling in to a wheels trough (well) Lutz and obviously have little knowledge re tyre behaviour when they deflate at speed."
As this has yet again become a personal attack situation , with at least one contributer not knowing very much about the product they are so vociferous about it has to end.
ANY more attack postings and the whole topic WILL be deleted.
Very sorry Damian. Had problem with posting and have now seen your post.
Lutz posted
"As the bead alone seves no purpose, it doesn't make any difference if it falls into the trough."
Your text from Tyron's site and mine both agree!
Tyron bands offer peace of mind re tyre safety in the event of deflation to many caravanners and professional drivers.
Tyron manufacture under a British Standard's, ISO, QS, DIN and other standards and are patented produucts. Expensive route for any business if the product is not proven.
www.tyron.com or their USA site that offers links to users, so is probably the best place for caravanners to judge.
I have a twin axle caravan and use it on foreign roads mainly, I don't use Tyron bands as I'm not sure that most continenetal tyre fitters are familiar with them. I'm more confident with twin axle then singles regarding punctures as well.
Lutz posted
"As the bead alone seves no purpose, it doesn't make any difference if it falls into the trough."
Your text from Tyron's site and mine both agree!
Tyron bands offer peace of mind re tyre safety in the event of deflation to many caravanners and professional drivers.
Tyron manufacture under a British Standard's, ISO, QS, DIN and other standards and are patented produucts. Expensive route for any business if the product is not proven.
www.tyron.com or their USA site that offers links to users, so is probably the best place for caravanners to judge.
I have a twin axle caravan and use it on foreign roads mainly, I don't use Tyron bands as I'm not sure that most continenetal tyre fitters are familiar with them. I'm more confident with twin axle then singles regarding punctures as well.
I am in agreement with you on this one as last year i had a sidewall blowout and the Tyron bands done nothing as far as i am concerned. The drag afterwards until i stopped was considerable plus the alloy wheel was damaged behond repair.
I inserted a remark on Lutze earlier remarks and have this to say again.My sidewall blowout at about 50/60 mph with Tyron bands caused one heck of a drag for the time until i stopped, there was no way as a person said on a earlier thead on the subject that they did not know it had happened. Plus the wheel was u/s. When the tyre was taken off there was little damage apart from the hole, however inside the tyre there was loads of rubber swarf. The only comment i would say whether they done the job or not is that i suppose without them maybe the caravan underside would have been damaged by flailing tyre if it came off.
Well I think Tyrons are a waste of time and money. And that's MY opinion. Better off using Flat Free.
Or wait for the Tweel to come on the market.
Or wait for the Tweel to come on the market.
oooh, it's all coming back to me now.......French connection, race tracks, an interest in military......now who does that remind me of???
Lisa
Lisa
Michelin's Tweel has been around public veiwing for around four years and in development that is still on going for a lot longer.
In reality the chances are that the Tweel will make every day car use when you and I are long gone Legs, and may be in a very different form. Deformation of a standard tyre and the spoked Tweel when hitting and obstacle is another problem for a car.
Another issue with the Tweel is that it was found to be very noisy and car handling was rather dissapointing. It took over twenty years for Michelin's radials to become widely accepted as well.
So don't get to excited by Leg's aged photo's. It was more likely a PR and promotion excercise for Michelin.
In reality the chances are that the Tweel will make every day car use when you and I are long gone Legs, and may be in a very different form. Deformation of a standard tyre and the spoked Tweel when hitting and obstacle is another problem for a car.
Another issue with the Tweel is that it was found to be very noisy and car handling was rather dissapointing. It took over twenty years for Michelin's radials to become widely accepted as well.
So don't get to excited by Leg's aged photo's. It was more likely a PR and promotion excercise for Michelin.
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