Upgrading MTPLM on a 2011 Lunar Delta TI

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Damian

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The noseweight is not on the van sticker, it is in the handbook .
The noseweight is limited by the caravan chassis limit, on most vans 100Kg but some of the heavier vans 150Kg, and the car makers limit on the hitch weight to the car, which can be as low as 50Kg or as high as 150Kg, its in the manual for the car.
 
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.....and

This EU directive has been incorporated in UK law.

The wording is explicit and incorporates the following wording and applies to caravans

Requirement

Statutory plate

Each vehicle or trailer shall be fitted with the manufacturer’s statutory
plate as described below.

The manufacturer’s statutory plate shall consist either of:

(a) a rectangular sheet of metal;
(b) a rectangular self adhesive label.

Metallic plates shall be fastened with rivets.
Labels shall be tamper evident, fraud resistant and self destructive in case there is an attempt to remove the label
 
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Despite having written I would not investigate the law concerning the adoption of MTPLM as part of the legally enforceable masses of caravans, Information has come to light which may shed some light on the subject.

The matter is enshrined in EU law as set out in various EU directives. The raw directives are complex documents, but have been thoroughly interpreted and approved for us in the UK. However specifically in relation to vehicle weights (more accurately Masses) the acronyms we have become used to are often transposed, so whilst we glibly use MTPLM (Maximum Technically Permissible Laden Mass) the EU documentation refers to TPMLM or Technically Permissible Maximum Laden Mass. It is accepted by the UK agencies that these two terms are interchangeable and have the same meaning.

The most relevant document is
“The primary Directive 97/27/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 July 1997 relating to the masses and dimensions of certain categories of motor vehicles and their trailers and amending Directive 70/156/EEC
Annex 1 of the directive sets out the scope and method and relevance of each weight/mass measurement. You can of course obtain a copy and read it for chapter and verse, but to summarize the matters relating to caravan MTPLM. I state the following:-

The Directive recognises that commercial vehicles and trailers are often manufactured in two or more distinct operations and not necessarily by the same organisation. This is because a standard chassis can be used to support specialist bodies for carrying loads. In the case of caravans the chassis and axle manufacturer may be entirely separate organisation to the caravan body and fitting out business.

The directive also recognises that the components that make up a complete lorry or trailer may not all have the same load bearing capacities as each other. It therefore makes logical sense to set the stated capacity of the vehicle so that the weakest load bearing component will not be overstressed. This means quite frequently the TPMLM of a caravan will be legitimately set lower than the capability of the chassis components or the the axle’s maximum capacity.

Because there are also some other factors that may affect the choice of body and chassis, there can be justified reasons for artificially setting an even lower TPMLM so for example the caravan may be legitimately towed by some smaller vehicles, or by licence holders with out heavier categories entitlements.

Its these mechanisms in the Directive that recognises the Caravan manufacture and not the chassis manufacture as the authority for setting the caravan’s TPMLM (MTPLM).

The directive also states the data plate containing the relevant weights(masses) must be attached to the trailer.

Generally Directives of this nature are not retrospective, but in most cases the directives are based on regulations that were already in force, so its likely there is prior lawful obligations relating to the weights ratings and marking of trailer caravans.

So in short the plate must be attached, and the MTPLM is the obligatory weight limit for the caravan.
 
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Hi all ........I have contributed to this post and it appears that I have posted information that is premature/ incorrect regarding the fitting of weight plates to caravans.

I emailed VOSA and asked them what the current position was and their reply is below........
I have removed the Technical Officer's name and phone number

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Bill

Responding to your mail of 30 March to DVSA Enquiries.

There is no legal requirement in the British Construction and Use regulations for the design gross vehicle weight (MTPLM) to be shown on any trailer over 750 kg but not over 3500 kg total axle weight (category O2). Virtually all trailer caravans are in this category. However caravan manufacturers may voluntarily fit such plates, and it is a requirement of the forthcoming EC Whole Vehicle Type Approval or Individual Vehicle Approval requirements being implemented from 29 October 2014 for new caravans. This is not an in-use requirement and is not retrospective so you will have no problem with your existing caravan if it does not have one.

S**** W******** | Heavy Vehicle Technical Officer
Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency | Ellipse, Padley Road, Swansea SA1 8AN
Phone:*******,

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Incorporating the Driving Standards Agency and Vehicle and Operator Services Agency.

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Hello Gaffer,

This shows the ungainly nature of the problem, And it is a problem, consider the situation where a caravans MTPL is specified at 1495Kg but its axle limit is 1600Kg An unsupecting Cat B driver may choose the caravan on the basis of its MTPLM which match his and his car has a MAM of 2000Kg and gives a combined MAM of 3495Kg. If he loses his MTPLM plate, and he is stopped low and behold his new combined MAM is 3600Kg!

If this is the case then there could be quite a number of caravanners unknowingly towing illegally.

The Directive I have paraphrased is current, and it quite clearly points to the fact that the trailer (i.e. the vehicle that is being towed) it is the last manufacturer that sets the maximum legal weight for the trailer. This is the interpretation the Caravan manufacturers are using.

I know you are not advocating ignoring the MTPLM but regardless of the ultimate legal status of MTPLM, it makes no sense to ignore it, especially if by doing so you are overloading some aspect of the trailer construction other than it axles.

Thats akin to asking a crane to lift a load greater than its boom extension permits.
 
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You are right Prof.............. I am not advocating over loading any vehicle.

I was interested in the current law from the drivers point of view, regarding weight plates on a caravan.
These are the questions I asked VOSA..........

Can you tell me if it is an offence for a driver to tow a caravan with a private car on the public highway if that caravan does not display it’s MTPLM on a weight plate ?

Should that weight plate be attached to the caravan at all times it is being towed on the public road?

From VOSA's answer it seems no offence is committed by the driver if there is no weight plate displayed on a caravan he is towing on a public road.
 
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My Bailey has a self adhesive plate and it's now on its third one. The specific letters relating to the van disappear after a period of time and it becomes illegible. So I always keep a pristine one with the caravan papers when I am towing. I did think about sticking it inside the entrance to the caravan as the 'rules' don't mandate where it should be affixed. After all if I should be stopped by police/VOSA it would be available for inspection....and legible!!
 

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