Van 5 weeks old and rear panel Cracked!!!!

May 20, 2007
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Just need to vent.

This morning washed my new van and found a hole that looks as if it has not been fuuly sealed with mastic where the roof meets the rear panel and the awning rail...............Not too bad in itself but................

The rear panel has a deep crack in it midway along the top edge on the near side.

The dealer is shut on a wednesday so can't do anything until tomorrow but I'm not happy at all.

I wouldn't mind but the reason I got rid of my last van was because of the front and rear panel cracking after 3 years this one, of different manufacture, has last 4 1/2 weeks and a 3 night break since we picked it up.

Any body any idea of what I can do? I want to tell the dealer where to put it!

Vent over.

But still not happy.
 
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The previous van was a bailey and no way in this world would I ever have another one so alu tec is out of the question at the moment( until someone else does the same thing).

Klarky I don't think i can name them yet i think I need to wait for responses from the dealer and the manufacturer both of whom have had emails asking them to contact me asap but with no detail other than that.

Trev
 
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Its strange the large number of caravans with cracked panels.

I think its a combination of poor quality panels, (maybe reducing the panel thickness?), along with poor fitting techniques, which has been discussed before.

I can't help but think, that using a awning doesn't help matters.

Bailey are well known for cracked panels, but my 2004 senator hasn't had any cracked panels, but also i have NEVER used a awning.

Just a thought.

I think if i was a victim of the cracked panel club, for a second time, then the caravan would be going back for a refund, enough is enough.
 
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dumpling

You obviously haven't had the hassle of a panel change, its not just the job, its the time away from caravanning, and the worry that goes with it.
 
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Hi Ray

I have used the van for 3 nights and yes I did put up an awning but the 3 days we were away it was freezing and there was no wind so the chances of it being a stress crack due to the awning (which was only a porch) I think is remote, but you my be right.

Enough is enough but we do enjoy caravanning and we enjoy getting away, but to have now 2 vans by different manufacturers crack i really don't know what to do, my head says take it back demand my money back and start again but will I be in the same situation again in 6 months. who knows.
 
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Once again the quality of fittings /components is called into question.(See my post in Equipment and Accesories-Shower door). The new vans from all makers are very attractive and have lots of goodies included, but still there is the quality aspect. It's ok to say that "the dealer will fix it" but it's the worry and hassle of taking the van to the dealer's premises, timing etc that is the real bind. If the manufacturers' Quality Control was half as good as their Advertising there wouldn't be all these reported faults.My word, I feel better now.
 
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When we had the rear panel go on our senator, I did look around the market but decided that none of the other manufacturers were markedly better so I stuck with the one we had.

I too felt for a while that I'd never buy another bailey, but I would look at alutech.
 
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Missedagain1, I managed to contact a wall and put a couple of small holes in the rear panel of my fairly new Challenger. Needless to say, I was gutted at the time, but eventually I had it repaired, and I can honestly say that it looks as good as new. I think you'll find that the dealer will repair the crack, and you'll forget all about it in a few months time.
 
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I friend of mine has a 6 year old Avondale & has reciepts showing both front & back panels were replaced under warranty when the van was fairly new by a reputable dealer. This van is now damp & rotten in all 4 corners. He resealed the awning rail himself recently & recons the sealant used by the reparers was not as good as the orginal & hence blames the repairs for ruining his van.

So if I were you I would demand a brand new van or your money back.
 
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Hi Glenn

the concern I had with my bailey was whether it would ever be water tight thats why i replaced it with this van and now i have the same fears.

The crack is directly above the shower which is fully lined and would hide any damp that may appear in the future.

I will be asking for a new van delivered within a specified period of time or my money back when i contact the dealer tomorrow.

Trev.
 
Jun 20, 2005
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Morning Trev

What a nightmare!

Hopefully you can see the dealer this morning and request an immediate refund or brand new replacement caravan, your choice. More importantly you will do well to also give the dealer a letter setting out your complaint and request for a refund.

If you follow thie lines of the Sale of Goods Act you wont go wrong.

I can send you some example letters if you wish. Just get Mr Mods to send me your e-mail.

How did you pay for the caravan? Cash , credit card , finance?

None of my Bailey's have suffered but my mate's Pageant had a new front panel last year, all done painlessly under warranty by our dealer near Bristol. I thought the bailey cracked panel thing was resolved a year ago and models made in the last 12 months shouldn't have this issue??

Cheers

Dustydog
 
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Hi Dustydog.

If the mods are watching (I'm sure they are) they can send you my email address.

The van concerned isn't a Bailey it is brand new though, we had a Pageant and at best it was very poor with numerous problems the last of which was cracked front and rear panels at 3 yrs old. That was the reason for getting rid of it (sold to the dealer who carrying out the repairs).

Any way not heard from dealer as yet but manufacturer has emailed to say they will be in touch after they have spoken to dealer.

So its a case of wait and see.

Trev.
 
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Involve the office of Fair Trading A.S.A.P.

If you have H.P. on the caravan notify them as well.

My advice would be to arrange to take the caravan back to the dealer requesting a full refund and all personal costs, You must give them the opportunity to recover the van themselves.

Ask for a replacement or upgrade but do not except a repair.

Do not make the same mistakes I did. A year later and I am still dealing with issues.

Take it back stating NOT fit for the purpose it was intended.

Five weeks its a joke.
 
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Replying to Ray, the panel problem with Baileys appeares to have started to occur with the introduction of the solid roof ie the models with the metal strip going side ways across the roof front and back which bonds the front and rear panels .

I myself had a three year old caravan 2006 production year, that had two cracks in the rear panel, eventually after contacting their Md managed to get a new rear panel fitted, off loaded the van soon after, I know exactly where Missedagain 1 is coming from.

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Hello Missedagain1,

I can appreciate that finding a problem like this in your new caravan must be distressing especially after your previous experience, and I can understand your response is to panic.

In no way am I trying to be-little the issue, but it may not be as serious as you first think, so take a few steady breaths and consider your options carefully - and don't do anything rash that may jeopardise your position or diminish your rights.

You need to get an independent professional report on the damage. Depending on the outcome, the best course of action will be come clearer.

Without the full details of the damage and what might subsequently ensue because of the damage, all we can do is speculate, but I can suggest some of the options you may have.

First of all under UK Consumer Law, (the Sale of Goods Act or SoGA) you have statutory rights that automatically come into play when you buy something new. Those rights are between you and your seller and exist even if a written contract is not produced.

In essence you have the right to expect the goods to be free from design, manufacturing and workmanship faults, to be of merchantable quality, and fit for the stated purpose "at the time of sale". No retail seller can reduce or over-ride your statutory rights.

The product should survive its normal life expectancy. SoGA supports that view up to a practical maximum of 6 years, though depending on the product shorter time spans may be established.

If a product fails in any of the above respects, it is your right to expect the seller to remedy the situation. Eg. Repair, replace or refund to a condition that would have existed if the fault had not occurred. - So the older a product is, the sellers liability reduces.

For these reasons SoGA is a powerful piece of legislation. It is there to ensure that consumers are not taken for ride, but it is also there to protect the seller from unscrupulous customers, so everyone has to be fair and take a responsible attitude to its use.

SoGA relies on the civil law test of the "balance of probabilities". So it will not always give a black and white outcome, However for products that have a life expectancy of over 6 months, the case law suggests that the seller has to prove the fault DID NOT exist at the point of sale, and for product over 6 months the customer has to prove that it was probably faulty at the time of sale.

The case for a full refund or new replacement is not always as clear cut as it may seem. The product must be in as new condition, without wear or tear. This is why calls to reject a purchase usually have to be made very promptly after purchase in some cases a matter of hours. If you exceed what is considered to be a reasonable reject time window for the product then the application for refund or new replacement diminishes. There are exceptions which are decided on case by case basis - one such is if the fault is uneconomic to repair (Most small appliances are uneconomic to repair thus replacement or refund is the usual outcome), another is where it can be shown that symptoms of the fault would only become apparent some extended time into the life of the product.

There are other considerations also, for example if a brand new car was drive out of the dealership, and found that a headlamp bulb was not working. The car is technically not road worthy, and it has fault at point of sale. But it would not be reasonable to expect a brand new replacement car or a full refund when it is five minute job to replace the bulb.

For an item as expensive as a caravan or a car, where you are hoping for a full refund, or replacement or complex repairs then you should seek professional legal advice.

SoGA only applies between you and the seller of the product. The seller is the person or company that takes your money - so it is unlikely to be the manufacture as caravans are usually sold through dealers Or it might be a finance house if you have used finance or HP. In some cases there is a joint responsibility between the dealer and Finance house - your legal advisor should be able to tell you your position.

Some ground rules.

If it is your intention to seek a refund or new replacement you must write to the seller(s) telling them you "reject the caravan", and give the reasons. Ask them to arrange the refund or replacement within a reasonable time period (e.g.20 working days). And await their response.

You must give them a reasonable time to respond, and you must also allow their representative time and access to the caravan in order to make any notes or inspection they ask for.

Keep records of communications, and always ask for any verbal communications to be followed up with a written one. Do not accept any offer made verbally always have it in writing.

It may seem unnecessary to say this, but be honest about the problem and circumstances - if it goes to court, any unreasonable behaviour or claims will count against any final judgment.

In such cases, often the seller will return the product to the manufacture for assessment. To that extend the manufacturer is acting as a sub contractor to the seller, not the sellers master. The manufacture may refuse to accept liability for the fault, and the seller may try to adopt the same stance quoting the manufactures position. Do not be bullied by this tactic. Your contract is with the seller - not the manufacture. There are detailed differences between the contract that you have with the seller, and the sellers contract with the manufacturer. If you are advised you have a strong case, you may still claim against the seller irrespective of the opinion of the manufacture - that is a problem for the seller sort out not you.

The case for a repair rather than replacement.

Particularly for high value items like cars and caravans, the seller is likely to offer a repair. This is not always the bad news you might think. For some problems a repair is a perfectly sound solution. The rider has to be that the completed repair should be undetectable, and not devalue the product in any way. Nor should it compromise the design, safety, usability, reliability and appearance of the product.

If you opt for a repair, make it clear to the seller that you still retain the right to reject the repaired product if it does not come up to scratch.

With such a young caravan, there should be no problem with the seller accepting liability for the fault, but you may have a fight if you want to go for full refund or new replacement which is why I strongly suggest you get professional legal advicers.
 
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Replying to Ray, the panel problem with Baileys appeares to have started to occur with the introduction of the solid roof ie the models with the metal strip going side ways across the roof front and back which bonds the front and rear panels .

I myself had a three year old caravan 2006 production year, that had two cracks in the rear panel, eventually after contacting their Md managed to get a new rear panel fitted, off loaded the van soon after, I know exactly where Missedagain 1 is coming from.

Royston
i just missed out on the strengthened roof that the 2005 series got, i wonder if that has a bearing?

By the way my 2004 has the two strips you refer too.
 

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