Vauxhall Antara

[mat1]

I understand the 2505kg, this is the GVW, the max the car can weigh, and is standard across the diesel antara range
This is the same as mine
What i dont understand is where this 2345kg is coming from.
The mass in service for my auto is 1967kg.
If the 2345 is the MIS thats is an increase of 378kg which seems alot to me, between the new and old models.

Besides the point really

The figure you go by for your question is the GVW of 2505kg
Therefore 3500kg - 2505kg = 995kg for the caravan on a B licence.

Mat

 

[MrBell]

I understand the 2505kg, this is the GVW, the max the car can weigh, and is standard across the diesel antara range
This is the same as mine
What i dont understand is where this 2345kg is coming from.
The mass in service for my auto is 1967kg.
If the 2345 is the MIS thats is an increase of 378kg which seems alot to me, between the new and old models.

Besides the point really

The figure you go by for your question is the GVW of 2505kg
Therefore 3500kg - 2505kg = 995kg for the caravan on a B licence.

Mat

My point is when you look at vauxhalls website and also autotrader and any other websites they all say the new Antara which I have has a GVW 2345kg. I bought the Antara because I could still tow my caravan on a B licence if the GVW is 2345kg which I was told was the weights as I needed to be careful. The problem I have is once I got my V5 it shows 2505kg which is not stated anywhere on vauxhalls website and the dealer did not say this. So I have a problem and I want to find out what the new Antara actually weighs so I can see if I can tow my bailey 2 berth which weighs 1098kg.
I have a feeling the 2505kg is the true figure which means I have been miss sold a car on wrong information. I trusted the dealer and websites to give me the correct weights and seems like they don't give correct information.
So if I find out I am over by 100kg then I will have to do a test which I have failed twice, unfortunately both fails have been very petty and I have now lost a fair bit of money and I don't really have the money to do the test for a third time so I was hoping I could tow for now and do the test at a later date.

 

[xtrailman]

I understand the 2505kg, this is the GVW, the max the car can weigh, and is standard across the diesel antara range
This is the same as mine
What i dont understand is where this 2345kg is coming from.
The mass in service for my auto is 1967kg.
If the 2345 is the MIS thats is an increase of 378kg which seems alot to me, between the new and old models.

Besides the point really

The figure you go by for your question is the GVW of 2505kg
Therefore 3500kg - 2505kg = 995kg for the caravan on a B licence.

Mat

My point is when you look at vauxhalls website and also autotrader and any other websites they all say the new Antara which I have has a GVW 2345kg. I bought the Antara because I could still tow my caravan on a B licence if the GVW is 2345kg which I was told was the weights as I needed to be careful. The problem I have is once I got my V5 it shows 2505kg which is not stated anywhere on vauxhalls website and the dealer did not say this. So I have a problem and I want to find out what the new Antara actually weighs so I can see if I can tow my bailey 2 berth which weighs 1098kg.
I have a feeling the 2505kg is the true figure which means I have been miss sold a car on wrong information. I trusted the dealer and websites to give me the correct weights and seems like they don't give correct information.
So if I find out I am over by 100kg then I will have to do a test which I have failed twice, unfortunately both fails have been very petty and I have now lost a fair bit of money and I don't really have the money to do the test for a third time so I was hoping I could tow for now and do the test at a later date.

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[MrBell]

I understand the 2505kg, this is the GVW, the max the car can weigh, and is standard across the diesel antara range
This is the same as mine
What i dont understand is where this 2345kg is coming from.
The mass in service for my auto is 1967kg.
If the 2345 is the MIS thats is an increase of 378kg which seems alot to me, between the new and old models.

Besides the point really

The figure you go by for your question is the GVW of 2505kg
Therefore 3500kg - 2505kg = 995kg for the caravan on a B licence.

Mat

My point is when you look at vauxhalls website and also autotrader and any other websites they all say the new Antara which I have has a GVW 2345kg. I bought the Antara because I could still tow my caravan on a B licence if the GVW is 2345kg which I was told was the weights as I needed to be careful. The problem I have is once I got my V5 it shows 2505kg which is not stated anywhere on vauxhalls website and the dealer did not say this. So I have a problem and I want to find out what the new Antara actually weighs so I can see if I can tow my bailey 2 berth which weighs 1098kg.
I have a feeling the 2505kg is the true figure which means I have been miss sold a car on wrong information. I trusted the dealer and websites to give me the correct weights and seems like they don't give correct information.
So if I find out I am over by 100kg then I will have to do a test which I have failed twice, unfortunately both fails have been very petty and I have now lost a fair bit of money and I don't really have the money to do the test for a third time so I was hoping I could tow for now and do the test at a later date.

I would just drive illegally, millions of drivers are driving uninsured, i have personally been involved in a accident with a driver uninsured and with no driving license.
Action taken by the police zero, due to the accident being on private land, which was why i also didn't collect any proceeds from my court appearance, even though the judge awarded me some £3.5K.
Its not as if you haven't tried to drive legally.

It would just be my luck I would get stopped! I don't want to loose my caravan due to me not complying with the licence! It's just a pain.

 

[ProfJohnL]

Hello Mr Bell,

I'm sorry to read of your second failure at the towing test. Passing it would certainly resolve your problem, but sadly you do seem to be in a bit of a predicament.

Mat is quite correct, you have to use the vehicles data plate. If you were stopped the authorities would check the plate and not the advertising brochure to assess the weight limits of the vehicle.

On that basis Mats last calculation is the correct one.

The differing figures on web sites I'm afraid are covered by two factors, The first is that you can never implicitly trust any third party web site to provide accurate data/information. This is a fact I have laboured quite frequently on this forum.

What is more worrying is the information on the Vauxhall web site and brochures, but their get out there will be, advertising publications do not necessarily carry all the latest accurate information and will usually have a small acronym "E&OE" which means errors and omissions excepted. This is the second quite common occurrence.

In essence it means that before purchasing any item to do a specific job, the buyer must check all the details before accepting the product.

Had you made it a specific requirement (in writing) that the car must enable you to tow your current caravan on a B only licence, then the car dealer would be in breach of contract.

But I suspect you didn't so buyer beware is sadly the situation. You might try Trading standards, who might approach it from a trades descriptions angle and misleading advertising.

You might try asking Vauxhall to issue a down rated data plate, but I'm not sure what that would involve in regards the V5 documents.

There is absolutely no way you should take Rays advice about towing an illegal outfit. His advice is totally irresponsible, and it would be your licence in the firing line and not his.

 

[mat1]

There is absolutely no way you should take Rays advice about towing an illegal outfit. His advice is totally irresponsible, and it would be your licence in the firing line and not his.

I quite agree !
Ray what you suggest is illegal and dangerous, and forms no part of this topic, and certainly no place on this forum.

Mat

 

[xtrailman]

Well OK.
In that case take your test again.
And just hope you don't have a accident with one of the million uninsured drivers out there.

 

[MrBell]

Hello Mr Bell,

I'm sorry to read of your second failure at the towing test. Passing it would certainly resolve your problem, but sadly you do seem to be in a bit of a predicament.

Mat is quite correct, you have to use the vehicles data plate. If you were stopped the authorities would check the plate and not the advertising brochure to assess the weight limits of the vehicle.

On that basis Mats last calculation is the correct one.

The differing figures on web sites I'm afraid are covered by two factors, The first is that you can never implicitly trust any third party web site to provide accurate data/information. This is a fact I have laboured quite frequently on this forum.

What is more worrying is the information on the Vauxhall web site and brochures, but their get out there will be, advertising publications do not necessarily carry all the latest accurate information and will usually have a small acronym "E&OE" which means errors and omissions excepted. This is the second quite common occurrence.

In essence it means that before purchasing any item to do a specific job, the buyer must check all the details before accepting the product.

Had you made it a specific requirement (in writing) that the car must enable you to tow your current caravan on a B only licence, then the car dealer would be in breach of contract.

But I suspect you didn't so buyer beware is sadly the situation. You might try Trading standards, who might approach it from a trades descriptions angle and misleading advertising.

You might try asking Vauxhall to issue a down rated data plate, but I'm not sure what that would involve in regards the V5 documents.

There is absolutely no way you should take Rays advice about towing an illegal outfit. His advice is totally irresponsible, and it would be your licence in the firing line and not his.

Hi thanks for your reply, I shouldn't have done my test yesterday as was full of cold and I'm still suffering now.
Getting back to the subject, I am waiting for a reply from vauxhall customer services to see what my car should weigh gross.
If it turns out my car should weigh what my v5 states then I will have to complain as I did as much research as possible and took what vauxhall states on the website which meant I would have been able to tow my caravan.
I haven't really got a clue where to start if I do need to complain.
Fingures cross vauxhall will come back to me with the answer I want.

 

[Surfer]

I cannot believe that such poor advice is offered on this thread!

 

[MrBell]

I cannot believe that such poor advice is offered on this thread!

What advice are you talking about?
Just a quick update on vauxhall, customer services are still looking into the weights as they sound like the car should still be 2345kg GVW. So tomorrow I will get another phone call to find out what the weight should be.

 

[mat1]

I cannot believe that such poor advice is offered on this thread!

What advice are you talking about?
Just a quick update on vauxhall, customer services are still looking into the weights as they sound like the car should still be 2345kg GVW. So tomorrow I will get another phone call to find out what the weight should be.

Mr Bell,
Where on the vehicle does it say 2345kg ?
The authorities will go off what the plated weights say.
If its states 2505 on the plate under the bonnet with three other weights then that is the GVW.
This is not a guess, it is fact as i have an Antara, don't forget.
If i could help anymore i would, but would be very surprised if it is any different.

Mat

 

[MrBell]

I cannot believe that such poor advice is offered on this thread!

What advice are you talking about?
Just a quick update on vauxhall, customer services are still looking into the weights as they sound like the car should still be 2345kg GVW. So tomorrow I will get another phone call to find out what the weight should be.

Mr Bell,
Where on the vehicle does it say 2345kg ?
The authorities will go off what the plated weights say.
If its states 2505 on the plate under the bonnet with three other weights then that is the GVW.
This is not a guess, it is fact as i have an Antara, don't forget.
If i could help anymore i would, but would be very surprised if it is any different.

Mat

The reason why I am pursuing this is because when I have been looking at the official vauxhall website it states the 2345kg which means our cars should weigh that and they dont which would state vauxhall have got their website figures wrong. To be honest I am expecting vauxhall to come back to me and say 2505kg.
I had a look under the bonnet and I couldn't find a plate with the weights on, I looked on the front passengers in side door and that had a sticker showing the figure of 2505kg and train weight of 4505kg which would be correct.
So the 2345kg is what vauxhall states our cars should weigh!
I'm sure this all sounds daft and I understand it's petty but I bought my car with what was on the vauxhall official website, now I found out from the v5 it's heavier than I expected I have to spend money on a test which I didn't budget for.

 

[seth1]

Very surprised at you Ray.Anything i read on here i take with a pinch of salt.

 

[mat1]

I had a look under the bonnet and I couldn't find a plate with the weights on, I looked on the front passengers in side door and that had a sticker showing the figure of 2505kg and train weight of 4505kg which would be correct.

Mr Bell,

Forget the official website, they will only give average weights across the range.
Your plated weight clearly states 2505kg, to that end that IS the GVW.
This unfortunately means you either change the car, caravan or take the test again.
If it was i the test would be the answer, as it will save a lot of hassle in the future, and without a doubt end up cheaper than any change.

Mat

 

[MrBell]

I had a look under the bonnet and I couldn't find a plate with the weights on, I looked on the front passengers in side door and that had a sticker showing the figure of 2505kg and train weight of 4505kg which would be correct.

Mr Bell,

Forget the official website, they will only give average weights across the range.
Your plated weight clearly states 2505kg, to that end that IS the GVW.
This unfortunately means you either change the car, caravan or take the test again.
If it was i the test would be the answer, as it will save a lot of hassle in the future, and without a doubt end up cheaper than any change.

Mat

To be honest I will pass the test some time this year and yes that does take allot of the hassle away from me, BUT there is an issue with the weights and I am interested in what vauxhall will come back with, the bloke on customer service was sure the weight is 2345kg as he was going off his system, so even tho the official website is wrong, sounds like their systems they use is also wrong.
I am supposed to be getting a call today to confirm what is happening. I have already stated I would be taken this further if the weights on the website are wrong, as this is not fair on people who need to know what the car weighs.
When been looking at other manufacturers and what weights the vehicles where they matched what their official website stated so why can't vauxhall do the same?
Been also looking on the official website and there is no where on the website which states the weights given are an average for the range or will differ to the models in the show room.

 

[Parksy]

The sad fact is that there is no guarantee that any information which is gleaned from the internet can be trusted to be 100% guaranteed accurate and this thread clearly illustrates this.
Most websites (including this one) have some sort of disclaimer in the small print which absolves them from responsibility for mistakes or errors.
I hope that you will be able to pass your test soon, and although there is a lot riding on it I hope that the pressure won't cause you to make elementary mistakes which mean that you don't pass.
Would it be worth your while investing in a towing course or some instruction before taking another test?
If the Vauxhall dealer has commited an error and you can prove that they were at fault it might be worthwhile asking them to fund some tuition for you as a gesture of goodwill.

 

[MrBell]

The sad fact is that there is no guarantee that any information which is gleaned from the internet can be trusted to be 100% guaranteed accurate and this thread clearly illustrates this.
Most websites (including this one) have some sort of disclaimer in the small print which absolves them from responsibility for mistakes or errors.
I hope that you will be able to pass your test soon, and although there is a lot riding on it I hope that the pressure won't cause you to make elementary mistakes which mean that you don't pass.
Would it be worth your while investing in a towing course or some instruction before taking another test?
If the Vauxhall dealer has commited an error and you can prove that they were at fault it might be worthwhile asking them to fund some tuition for you as a gesture of goodwill.

Yeah I will be taking a towing course just to brush up on my towing. Even though I'm saying about the weights being incorrect I don't mind that much as I still really like the car and will get my B+ E eventually.
I was thinking that if I can proove there is an error on the website I was going to ask them to fund my licence as a gesture of goodwill.
I did really think the official website should be correct.

 

[xtrailman]

Very surprised at you Ray.Anything i read on here i take with a pinch of salt.

I'm surprised at myself sometimes.
But on the other hand, nor would i ever put my caravan into the outer lane of the motorway.

Ps If its any help whatcar mag has the Antara kerb weight at 1746-1810kg

 

[colin-yorkshire1]

hi all,
I have been watching this thread on and off since it started, I am not suprised MR Bell is confused and dissapointed.
confused yes, so am I,
first GVW is as Mat has stated the weight plate on the vehicle which says 2505kg, so thats what it is, immaterial of what any other source says it is that is the weight the ministery men would use. and that is fixed. however tow load is not fixed is it the weight the vehicle pulls, and doesn't include the noseweight "as this is carried by the car" no where in this thread is this mentioned (unless I have missed it) assuming the Antara has a 100kg nose weight (common across 4x4's) and beforehand Mr Bell stated the caravan MTPLM was 1098kg sounds about right as mine is 1058kg and a slightly smaller van, this would give a towload of 998kg which is 3kg over Mr Bell's licence maximum. however 3kg is still over but there are steps one could take it eliminate the difference.
my first action " given that the car and the van have allready been purchased" would be to load the van completely in holiday trim load the car and fill the tank, and get the whole weighed on a public weighbridge, (get someone else to tow it there with a b-e licence if required) and get 3 mesurements, weight of van solo to assertain actual weight of van, weight of unit as it is car+van, train weight, and the tow load, weight of van minus nose weight, if the weight of the van is well below the plated MTPLM it can be reduced by obtaining a new weight plate say by 25kg, this would bring the train weight below 3500kg,keep the certifacates in the car at all times
the best senario of course would be to pass the test, as the Antara would tow greater weights in the future should one wish to get a bigger van, meanwhile I don't see how towing a trailer with a weight within the limits could be seen as illegal.

 

[MrBell]

hi all,
I have been watching this thread on and off since it started, I am not suprised MR Bell is confused and dissapointed.
confused yes, so am I,
first GVW is as Mat has stated the weight plate on the vehicle which says 2505kg, so thats what it is, immaterial of what any other source says it is that is the weight the ministery men would use. and that is fixed. however tow load is not fixed is it the weight the vehicle pulls, and doesn't include the noseweight "as this is carried by the car" no where in this thread is this mentioned (unless I have missed it) assuming the Antara has a 100kg nose weight (common across 4x4's) and beforehand Mr Bell stated the caravan MTPLM was 1098kg sounds about right as mine is 1058kg and a slightly smaller van, this would give a towload of 998kg which is 3kg over Mr Bell's licence maximum. however 3kg is still over but there are steps one could take it eliminate the difference.
my first action " given that the car and the van have allready been purchased" would be to load the van completely in holiday trim load the car and fill the tank, and get the whole weighed on a public weighbridge, (get someone else to tow it there with a b-e licence if required) and get 3 mesurements, weight of van solo to assertain actual weight of van, weight of unit as it is car+van, train weight, and the tow load, weight of van minus nose weight, if the weight of the van is well below the plated MTPLM it can be reduced by obtaining a new weight plate say by 25kg, this would bring the train weight below 3500kg,keep the certifacates in the car at all times
the best senario of course would be to pass the test, as the Antara would tow greater weights in the future should one wish to get a bigger van, meanwhile I don't see how towing a trailer with a weight within the limits could be seen as illegal.

Good afternoon Colin-Yorkshire, I can totally understand where you are coming from and I have spoken to DVLA and been advised if I got pulled over I would need to be taken to a weigh bridge to proove my train weight was over the 3500kg. It is confusing about the GVW as the figures don't match what I have on my car.
If you look at auto trader or the official websites my car should only weigh 2345kg-2370kg GVW but mine weighs 2505kg, now if my plate on the car is wrong that would mean I could tow my caravan.
Now what I am trying to do is see if I can get to the true figure so i can take this one step further.
I will do my test again when I get enough money to do it as its not cheap.
I was thinking at some point taken my car to a weigh bridge to see what the weight is once me and my wife and holiday gear and also my two labs are in the car. I think I would be sitting at 2300kg with it packed ready to go.

 

[mat1]

Interestingly the way the GVW is detailed in the brochures differs from the original to latest models.
Original model states for GVW refer to plate on vehicle
Latest gives a figure in the brochure

Mat

 

[MrBell]

Interestingly the way the GVW is detailed in the brochures differs from the original to latest models.
Original model states for GVW refer to plate on vehicle
Latest gives a figure in the brochure

Mat

Should there be a plate on the car? For example in the engine bay?

 

[mat1]

Unless it has been moved, between the model versions.
If you lift the bonnet, the metal weights plate, for my 2009 is to the left of the catch on top of the front grille.

Mat

 

[MrBell]

Unless it has been moved, between the model versions.
If you lift the bonnet, the metal weights plate, for my 2009 is to the left of the catch on top of the front grille.

Mat

What weight does yours state? As the new Antara or you could say the revised Antara was supposed to be lighter and more fuel efficient, I did have a look and couldn't see any plates but I will have a look again some time today when I get a chance.

 

[MrBell]

Well been looking on the web and found the GVW of my car!
Here is the link with the exact GVW on!
http://www.pentagon-group.co.uk/seo/pdf/vauxhall_antara.pdf

So I am wondering if I have bought a car with wrong plates on or an older style looking like the new one???