Volvo EV Progress

[Buckman]

You raise some valid points, I hadn't considered the change of ownership point. but with regards the MOT only kicking in after the third year, perhaps it becomes a requirement to have the VIN number and millage checked annually or when a car changes hands.

As for black boxes, I thought the insurance ones logged location as well as times.

Makes you wonder if they can clock the mileage as that could be easier than taking control of a vehicle remotely? It could be prevented if it was compulsory for a new MOT when the car exchanges hands and also the VED issued?

In SA when a car was sold it had to have a roadworthy certificate and insurance before you could buy a tax disc. However this created another problem in that when cars were sold privately in many cases the car was left in the old owner's name.

 

[RogerL]

There is alo the vauge possibility of people using EV's for future off road purposes, so yet again it would not be fair to charge on Electric down loads.

Why not? If we use our diesel vehicles off-road we still have to pay fuel duty with no rebate for the miles off-road.

 

[RogerL]

Makes you wonder if they can clock the mileage as that could be easier than taking control of a vehicle remotely? It could be prevented if it was compulsory for a new MOT when the car exchanges hands and also the VED issued?

In SA when a car was sold it had to have a roadworthy certificate and insurance before you could buy a tax disc. However this created another problem in that when cars were sold privately in many cases the car was left in the old owner's name.

Car manufacturers store the distance driven in several places, the visible display can be clocked but not all the others.

 

[Gafferbill]

......maybe track every EV as is being done with commercial aircraft.

https://www.flightradar24.com/51.31,-0.19/7

PS.....think of the fossil fuel being burnt above our heads.
About time we had electric aircraft

 

[otherclive]

Using MOT would be very unfair as the car could be have 2 - 3 owners in a year. Also MOT only kicks into action in third year. I think the black box is the way forward, but govt has realised that introducing the black box again they will probably suffer a huge loss. Will the black box "switch off" while travelling around the EU?

If my satnav knows when I travel between countries I’m sure a black box will. Later model cars are likely to be able to produce nearly enough data to be monitored. My last Kia and current Toyota were connected to their respective makers app when driving.

 

[otherclive]

You raise some valid points, I hadn't considered the change of ownership point. but with regards the MOT only kicking in after the third year, perhaps it becomes a requirement to have the VIN number and millage checked annually or when a car changes hands.

As for black boxes, I thought the insurance ones logged location as well as times.

The black box fitted to our granddaughters car after passing her test also logged speed against speed limit and driving style. IE acceleration, speed, braking and steering forces of some sort. So she could then go online to see her report with a status indication, and any generated warnings. Quite a sophisticated system. But after a set period from passing the test the insurer removed the box, and reverted to normal cover.

 

[otherclive]

There is alo the vauge possibility of people using EV's for future off road purposes, so yet again it would not be fair to charge on Electric down loads.

I didn’t get any relief from fuel duties when I took my Pajero off roading, so why should EVs unless used for agricultural purposes. But how many farmers qualify for red diesel for the LR?

 

[Dustydog]

If the XC40 EV knows where it is by the second and how far a range of charging stations are then it can’t be that difficult for the brains to record the mileage overall.

At say a yearly interval or when bought / sold the car transmits its mileage to HMG who issue a tax bill.

Pay as you drive,was looked at by Tony Blair but abandoned on the basis it was unfair and fraught with danger. Sunak brought it back to the table.

Most who have an EV are probably better off or company car users. I think any changes should be restricted to EVs and the current Road Tax system retained at sensible pricing for those who continue to drive ICEs, a lot who simply can’t afford an EV at this time.

 

[Mel]

Most who have an EV are probably better off or company car users. I think any changes should be restricted to EVs and the current Road Tax system retained at sensible pricing for those who continue to drive ICEs, a lot who simply can’t afford an EV at this time.

We didn’t even look at the price of a new EV but our used Corsa electric was a similar price or less than an ICE Corsa of similar age, mileage and spec.
Mel

 

[Buckman]

If my satnav knows when I travel between countries I’m sure a black box will. Later model cars are likely to be able to produce nearly enough data to be monitored. My last Kia and current Toyota were connected to their respective makers app when driving.

However as the VED is perhaps be built into the miles done, effectively perhaps then the car doesn't have VED paid?

 

[otherclive]

However as the VED is perhaps be built into the miles done, effectively perhaps then the car doesn't have VED paid?

Sorry I don’t understand your post. Recovering fuel duty and fuel vat is the discussion. VED can easily be changed into any number of vehicle categories.

 

[Buckman]

Sorry I don’t understand your post. Recovering fuel duty and fuel vat is the discussion. VED can easily be changed into any number of vehicle categories.

Easy to work out and understand.

 

[ProfJohnL]

There is alo the vauge possibility of people using EV's for future off road purposes, so yet again it would not be fair to charge on Electric down loads.

Presently the same can be said for off road enthusiasts who also drive on the road, they pay fuel duty and VED, and Ill bet they also pay full insurance costs if their policy has mileage ranges too.

 

[otherclive]

Presently the same can be said for off road enthusiasts who also drive on the road, they pay fuel duty and VED, and Ill bet they also pay full insurance costs if their policy has mileage ranges too.

As far as my Pajero off roader was concerned I just paid VED and fuel duty/vat as there's no distinction driving off road or normal road. The insurance policy had an estimated annual mileage which if I was going to exceed the limit I would contact the insurer and extend it. There was no distinction between off road and on road. The only aspect where there was a distinction between off roading and normal road driving was breakdown recovery. Off road you are out of cover and you have to sort yourself out. Hence the reason why in most instances you travelled as a minimum of two vehicles.