Why are some people obnoxious ?

[RogerL]

We're currently staying at a rather nice 5-van CL at a pub in Teesdale, accessed through the pub car park.
Twice now, we happen to have seen people pull into the car park, walk their dog around the CL which urinates wherever it wants including on water points, then put the car back in the car and go in the pub for a nice drink and/or meal.
If I knew where they lived, I'd go round and piss on their front lawn next time they're having a meal at home !
I do know that dog owners like this are a minority but it does explain why all dog owners are reviled by some of us.

 

[Parksy]

If you saw the dog urinating on water points and the dog was then returned to the car while it's owners went into the pub for a drink or a meal then surely all you have to do is to pass on the car registration number to the landlord, tell him about the dog problem and let him deal with it.

 

[Trevor_374569540]

If you saw this person walk onto the CL, let his dog urinate, then watch him put the dog back into the car, then go into the pub, why oh why did you not approach him and have a few words. What has happened to this country we winge and winge yet expect someone else to do the dirty work. Get some backbone and have some contact with the people concerned

 

[ProfJohnL]

If you saw this person walk onto the CL, let his dog urinate, then watch him put the dog back into the car, then go into the pub, why oh why did you not approach him and have a few words. What has happened to this country we winge and winge yet expect someone else to do the dirty work. Get some backbone and have some contact with the people concerned

Hello Trevor,
I sympathise with your view point, and perhaps you might feel confident enough to approach a 6' 2", 18 stone, tottoo'd male with a Staffordshire Bull Terrior, but I'm not sure I am with my tweed jacket, baggy corduroy trousers, and walking stick.

 

[Parksy]

It's not a case of having enough 'backbone' to complain directly to the dog owner, the OP is staying in a place which does not belong to him and it's up to the site owner, in this case the pub landlord, to ensure that rules concerning dogs are adhered to.
The landlord or site owner enjoys the full backing of the law in cases where trouble might arise, if a private individual went over to the dog owner to shoot his mouth off anything could happen and if there are no independent witnesses the complainant could face a situation where he would be the one defending himself in court.
Why take the chance, tell the site owner and leave him to deal with it properly, it's one of the things that we pay for in the pitch fee.

 

[Trevor_374569540]

Hello again, I am afraid after 30 years as a Kent Police Officer 6ft whatever 18 stone whatever you cannot in this life (which I might say you are only here once, this is not a rehearsal ) let people get away with it, just imagine if the pub landlord has the same thoughts as you. I didnt say that you had to go over and mouth off, what I was trying to say is the art of conversation in this country has gone, so I might add has the sense of humour. You are not going to get a smack in the mouth for just pointing out a simple fact.
One of the words missing in the English language today is "confrontation", nobody likes it anymore, bosses dont like it because it might interfere with their next rung up the ladder, there is and never will be anything wrong with voiceing your opinion.

 

[RogerL]

So I'm in the wrong by not being a Victor Meldrew and acting as site dog vigilante? I'm not the problem !
Actually, it got worse today with one of the caravanners doing the same thing.
What is the world coming to? Don't say it's my fault.

 

[Raywood]

What you have is a few irresponsible dog ownwrs ruining the reputation of the rest.

 

[Gafferbill]

.......but you will never stop this sort of behaviour all you can do is take precautions if it bothers you that much.

It bothers me ......so for instance.......all my caravans water supply equipment is inboard away from dogs or any other sort of contamination or interference.

 

[Parksy]

Hello again, I am afraid after 30 years as a Kent Police Officer 6ft whatever 18 stone whatever you cannot in this life (which I might say you are only here once, this is not a rehearsal ) let people get away with it, just imagine if the pub landlord has the same thoughts as you.......

If you were or are a Kent police officer with 30 years service I've no doubt that you are confident enough to deal with almost any situation that arises, it has been part of your daily life but this is not the case for everybody.
The pub landlord / site owner is offering a service which as a caravanner you are expected to pay for, so if he didn't respond then this would tell me everything that I needed to know about the service that he was offering and he would no longer have my custom.
By letting the person who is responsible for looking after the site know what his patrons who own dogs are doing you are not 'letting people get away with it' and neither are you risking a potentially unpleasant confrontation or any form of revenge involving your possessions when no one is around.
Caravans, awnings and various pieces of equipment that we leave unattended are expensive, some dog owners can be stubborn or obnoxious so why set yourself up as some sort of site guardian when you are paying good money for someone else to fulfill that role?

 

[Trevor_374569540]

Hello, I am afraid you have given the reply I expected, but like I said before what if the pub landlord has the same opinion as you. Unfortunately this sort of thing goes on on CC and C&CC sites who also have pub landlords (wardens) who even if you complain about this sort of thing, do nothing other than have a quiet word which normally goes in one ear and out the other. What would be a better solution is "Leave the Site", but again I am afraid that will not happen because the clubs will loose money. Charge dog owners a pound a day (like the continent) but again this will not happen because dog owners will go elsewhere and the clubs will loose money again. Like the rest of life outside caravaning the whole world today runs round the Glorious Pound sign. Children die on club sites through people speeding what happens, usually a great big outcry, which dies down and within a week the grand prix start again. One word sums it up "Disipline", there isnt any anymore.
Personally when I have set my van up, I spray WD40 all around the grit, concrete part of my pitch (not on the grass) and I never have any trouble with dogs.
I am not setting myelf up as a site guardian, I am only interested in my pitch, what goes on on others is up to them, my moto is and always has been do not mess with the ex sheriff (this bit is a joke as long as you still have your sense of humour)

 

[colin-yorkshire1]

hi all,
when I read his thread I could hardly believe it, as the coinsidence is remarkable, why !! well a couple of years ago we stayed on a CL attached to a pub near York, early evening while have tea (after a day out in York) as the pub car park was filling up (it was also a resteraunt) a guy got out of his car with two spanials one of which ran onto the CL and did a whoopsie on the grass, he made no attempt to clean it up or even notice what had happend, calmly put the dogs back in the car and entered the pub leaving the dogs in the car, "see" what did I do, well.
finished my tea took a photo of the poo, and the car showing the reg no. walked into the pub and asked the barman for the manager, when he came, I showed him the photos and asked what he was going to do about it. he wrote down the reg no and shouted out from the bar if the owner of so and so would come to the bar,
within 5 mins this guy appeared with some loo roll and a bag and cleaned up the mess and then got in his car and left.
next day a sign appeared "patrons must not exersise thier dogs on the campsite" as far as I know the campsite is still there and so is the sign, if you go about things in the right way most problems can be sorted without confrontation, just report it,

 

[ProfJohnL]

........ I didnt say that you had to go over and mouth off, ............. You are not going to get a smack in the mouth for just pointing out a simple fact.

Hello Trevor,

Perhaps as a Police officer (active or retired) you may have the physical stature, training and bearing to dissuade some members of our society from displaying what seems to becoming the de rigueur response when any criticism of their actions or inaction is pointed out.
Mouthing off or threatening behavior (using a fighting dog) has become all too common in some areas.

 

[Surfer]

Hello, I am afraid you have given the reply I expected, but like I said before what if the pub landlord has the same opinion as you. Unfortunately this sort of thing goes on on CC and C&CC sites who also have pub landlords (wardens) who even if you complain about this sort of thing, do nothing other than have a quiet word which normally goes in one ear and out the other. What would be a better solution is "Leave the Site", but again I am afraid that will not happen because the clubs will loose money. Charge dog owners a pound a day (like the continent) but again this will not happen because dog owners will go elsewhere and the clubs will loose money again. Like the rest of life outside caravaning the whole world today runs round the Glorious Pound sign. Children die on club sites through people speeding what happens, usually a great big outcry, which dies down and within a week the grand prix start again. One word sums it up "Disipline", there isnt any anymore.
Personally when I have set my van up, I spray WD40 all around the grit, concrete part of my pitch (not on the grass) and I never have any trouble with dogs.
I am not setting myelf up as a site guardian, I am only interested in my pitch, what goes on on others is up to them, my moto is and always has been do not mess with the ex sheriff (this bit is a joke as long as you still have your sense of humour)

As a police officer of 30 years standing I am surprised that you have mixed up the facts. A CL does not belong to the club, there is only an affiliation. The club will not lose money because a member uses another site that allows dogs as the club does not get any income from CLs.
Also you refer to a child dying because of speeding. In this case the motorist was not speeding, the child apparently rode into the outfit at high speed causing the unfortunate death of the child. The motorist was not blamed.
Not sure why you are shouting in "bold". Have a nice day!

 

[Parksy]

I'm afraid that you seem to be misunderstanding my point of view Trevor.
My opinion is that in most cases it's the site owners job to ensure that site rules are adhered to and that dog owners comply with these rules and with normal social behaviour.
If the 'landlord has the same opinion' as I do then he would accept that the behaviour of the patrons who use his site is ultimately his responsibility and he'd do something about it.
If he does not accept his responsibility then he deserves to lose money, simple as that.
As far as my pitch is concerned, if someone caused a nuisance or allowed their pets or children to use my pitch in a manner that would be detrimental to us, of course I'd have a word.
Similarly if I saw someone allowing their dog to urinate on things like water taps or or on Aquarolls or awnings I'd probably say something to them, but first of all I'd weigh up the chances of problems which could affect my enjoyment of my holiday. Either way I'd definitely let the landlord / site owner know what was happening so that he could do something about it.
What if instead of it being me, it was my partner who weighs around 7.5 stones and is 4' 10" tall who saw the dog owner allowing his animal to make free around the facilities?
I wouldn't be comfortable with the thought of her confronting somebody and receiving a mouthful of abuse in return, so everybody's situation is different and 'backbone' which you mentioned earlier really has no bearing on this issue.
I take your point about not messing with the ex-sherrif Trevor, but what if it was an ex sherrif's deputy dog that was piddling up the water tap?

 

[Dustydog]

I'm with Colin here. Do things the right way and hopefuly get a result.

Confrontation can turn very nasty. While you are out for the day the miscreant whom you have chastised puts God knows what in your Aquaroll etc.

Trevor ,
You will of course recall the recent sad case of the two "Blue Badge " holders arguing over a parking slot. One is now dead due to the fisty cuffs that took place.
I'm no pacifist but imo you need to be very very careful raising the anti.

 

[JonnyG]

If you saw this person walk onto the CL, let his dog urinate, then watch him put the dog back into the car, then go into the pub, why oh why did you not approach him and have a few words. What has happened to this country we winge and winge yet expect someone else to do the dirty work. Get some backbone and have some contact with the people concerned

Yes trevor you are correct but what is the alternative? stick up for yourself/ get confrontational? worse god forbid win an argument and end up in a physical confrontation,which if you have any sense you'd loose otherwise end up having the local bobby try to convict YOU! of an offence and have all the stress of having to prove otherwise....I think roger was right not to confront and given your 30 years in the force your knowledge of the law your support by your union ect ect ect...then i too would thing as you, if i had a police officers backgroundm but as a normal joe blogs, hmmm the size of the persons doesnt worry me too much but what could spiral out of control into a violent situation does...and as a 50 year old who has had more than his share of scrapes when youngar verbally and alas physically, common sense tells me its not worth it just because of a dog weeing where it shouldnt..

 

[Trevor_374569540]

Hello again,
I seemed to have opened a can of worms, but like everybody else I am entitled to my opinion, I appreciate all that has been said, but I shall stick to my guns, I cant be doing all bad I have reached 66 on it.
Many thanks for the replies

 

[Parksy]

Quite right too Trevor, the world would be a very dull place if everybody thought identically and you raise an important question which is worthy of debate.
To confront or not to confront may be a situation that many of us find ourselves in with the perception of lack of discipline and good manners that is fostered by our media. Politicians would also like to make us afraid of our young so that they can install even more cctv cameras the better to snoop on us, push us around and show us who is boss.
The political classes are more than happy to invent a climate of fear which can only be resolved by increased power over us and more draconian measures.
It all boils down to what you think that the final outcome may be if you try the head on approach doesn't it?
If I was as strong and fit as I was 20 years ago I'd have no hesitation in risking a confrontation and I'm not easily intimidated even now, but as a disabled and much weaker 62 year old, who besides having significant mobility problems beacuse of a stroke also has a dicky ticker, I consider the options available to me The first option for me would be to report the problem to someone who I could reasonably expect to do something about it, unless I thought that I could deal with such a situation in a good humoured and tactful way myself.