“Combined” Weighbridge weight correct or wrong?

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When I thought about buying one there wasn’t a lot of competition between suppliers. In the end I decided to stay with the Longleat Forestry 5 tonne weighbridge as I wasn’t weighing caravans that often, generally only when newly acquired. Best to trawl the internet for suppliers as I suspect prices are a changeable feast.
 
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I was just speaking to our Mechanic here and he was saying even lifting the wheel 4cm will def shift the weight to the other wheels and how does the Reich know how to calculate this.

When I spoke about it, he was very dubious if it would work properly, and how exact would it be
 
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I was just speaking to our Mechanic here and he was saying even lifting the wheel 4cm will def shift the weight to the other wheels and how does the Reich know how to calculate this.

When I spoke about it, he was very dubious if it would work properly, and how exact would it be
Why not just load up the caravan with your intended payload items ( less fridge food) and use a commercial weighbridge to check your loading weight lists. As I suspect even if you buy the Reich you will probably have uncertainties and then end up taking it to a weighbridge anyway. I found by carefully weighing every item that went in to the caravan I was within my MTPLM except once when I overloaded a 1000 kg MTPLM by nearly 25% Shock of my life when checked on weighbridge in Brecon. Unfortunately confirmed a few days later by a reweighing “empty” on the 5 tonne Longleat Forestry weighbridge. 😱
 
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There was a website called 'Berger Online' and the Reich was cheap, but looking at their reviews put me right off
I felt the same when I read the reviews😱
For me Amazon gave the best price even though it's coming from abroad. Incidentally on a mainland Amazon site it's half the price but no GB delivery.
 
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Why not just load up the caravan with your intended payload items ( less fridge food) and use a commercial weighbridge to check your loading weight lists. As I suspect even if you buy the Reich you will probably have uncertainties and then end up taking it to a weighbridge anyway. I found by carefully weighing every item that went in to the caravan I was within my MTPLM except once when I overloaded a 1000 kg MTPLM by nearly 25% Shock of my life when checked on weighbridge in Brecon. Unfortunately confirmed a few days later by a reweighing “empty” on the 5 tonne Longleat Forestry weighbridge. 😱
Would be interesting to know if anyone has purchased one just after getting weighed on a weighbridge, then using the Reich and seeing much difference.
 
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Interesting read here from around 2011, one of the users compared the difference to the Reich and weighbridge and the Reich was 5kg heavier, but was happy. There is the point of finding a very level ground and using a plank on the opposite side etc


They also mentioned it needs sent for calibration every 2 years and sent to the MFTR, not sure how well it would be calibrated on return with all the knocks and bangs through logistics.
 
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Interesting read here from around 2011, one of the users compared the difference to the Reich and weighbridge and the Reich was 5kg heavier, but was happy. There is the point of finding a very level ground and using a plank on the opposite side etc


They also mentioned it needs sent for calibration every 2 years and sent to the MFTR, not sure how well it would be calibrated on return with all the knocks and bangs through logistics.
5kg is neither here nor there. When the post was written caravans contained more wood and permeable materials affected by humidity. Checked a couple of days later the results could have been different.
 
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I can't help but get the feeling that if your worried about absolute accuracy your never going to get it on any system.

A calibrated weighbridge may even be out by several kgs

As for the Reich weighing system it's supposed to be only 3% accurate at worst although I don't know what it's resolution is. Three percent of 1000kg is quite a lot of your payload.

In respect of shifting centre of gravity by raising one wheel 4cm. Then yes, but it will be less than 4cm. Even so you won't know where the CofG is before weighing it. Technically the CofG would shift to a point between the other wheel and the jockey wheel at some height above the floor, since the jockey wheel would also be on the ground.
 
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As I said before, I would not buy a new one, mine was second hand.
As for using it. My road outside is flat and fairly pot hole free. It is accurate enough for my use, I have checked the same axle several time and it comes out with the same reading.
You are just making sure your not going to go over your Max weight. With out the hassle of going to a weigh bridge. Before setting off on a trip.
 
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A calibrated weighbridge may even be out by several kgs
I think that a weighbridge can have a maximum error margin of up to 5%? On a vehicle weighing several tons probably acceptable. However on a caravan weighing 2000kg a 5% margin is 100kg while a 2% error is 40kg it could be heart attack time. I don't think any weighbridge will be 100% accurate.

When we weighed our previous Lunar caravan a few years ago which had a MTPLM of 1800kg, the weigh bridge showed that we were about 20kg over the MTPLM. We took out a load of stuff and took it back to the weighbridge several weeks later and it still showed that we exceeded the MTPLM by about the same amount and the weighbridge had been calibrated the day before. We gave up at that stage.
 
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You could have a search around your area for a motorsport business because they use things like this to set-up race-cars.
If you can find one - and they're willing and able to help - it's the most accurate way you'll weigh your caravan. You'd have to get your 'van to sit balanced on the four wheels (no jockey wheel) .
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I was just speaking to our Mechanic here and he was saying even lifting the wheel 4cm will def shift the weight to the other wheels and how does the Reich know how to calculate this.

When I spoke about it, he was very dubious if it would work properly, and how exact would it be

I addressed the issue of the height of the device in an earlier response.

Interesting read here from around 2011, one of the users compared the difference to the Reich and weighbridge and the Reich was 5kg heavier, but was happy. There is the point of finding a very level ground and using a plank on the opposite side etc


They also mentioned it needs sent for calibration every 2 years and sent to the MFTR, not sure how well it would be calibrated on return with all the knocks and bangs through logistics.

Only the purchaser can decide if having a home weighbridge (Reich or otherwise) system at home makes financial sense to them. A lot will depend on how close they're loading to their
max weight limits, and how much hassle there is using a public weighbridge.

Based on your postings over the months, it seems you could be using most of your loading margin, and thus there is a greater chance you might unintentionally exceed one or more limits without realising it. Having a convenient way of checking at home before each trip could be a better way than trying to use a public weighbridge.

The disadvantage of the home system, is its uncertainty of measurement or put another way its accuracy. It won't be calibrated, and evidence from its readings would not carry any legal authority, but using a home system from a good manufacture would certainly be good enough to show the ballpark weights and loads sufficient to warn the user to review what they're loading and where they're locating it.

Even though the Reich is claimed to have a 3% accuracy, that does not tell the whole story. Having worked in the Quality Assurance business, the 3% claim by itself is not sufficient to quantify the uncertainty of measurement and how to apply it.

For example; Good quality Digital measurement systems should specify their expression of uncertainty and the user will then know how to apply it. There typically two types of expression:-

The reading +/- X% of the reading +/- a number of of least significant digits.
Or
The reading X% of the full scale length +/- a number of of least significant digits.

The difference between the outcomes of these adjustments can be quite significant.

Reich does not tell you which interpretation to put on the reading.

Public weighbridges should indicate the possible reading error of their measurements on the printed ticket.

As Sam V has pointed out you are unlikely to get any really precise actual reading of your caravan weight from a weighbridge. So in reality your only looking for something that will approximate to a weigh bridge, and these devices will probably be more than adequate for it.

As for recalibration, I know of a business that does use one of these for vans that tow trailers, and has had it recalibrated, but it hasn't drifted outside of its range over a number of years, so it seems to be a durable design. I certainly would not be worried by transit damage provided it is sensibly packed. But equally for domestic caravaning it's unlikely to be abused in terms of its weight limit being exceeded, so it I doubt its accuracy would drift too far and thus it probably isn't worth having it officially recalibrated. Alternatively if you have a substantial heavy item that you could weigh on it, then periodically use that to check for any drift.

Just for clarity, when a vehicle is given a weight or load limit value those values are absolute with no tolerance. It is up to the driver to ensure the all such limits are observed. and to account for the potential inaccuracy of the measurement device.

Whilst the Reich may not have a legally conforming statement of accuracy, it's still going to be about as good a most caravanners can reasonably get without using a a public weighbridge. or specialised weighing systems.
 
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When it comes down to it, you are just wanting to know your not overloading your van, your not wanting a gauge to state that your 3 kg below 2000 kg. Your not bothered that your nose weight is 74 kg when your car can only take 75 kg.

In the end you find you carry so much stuff you never use. Sunshades for chairs, food tongs for inside the van, and another set for the BBQ.
1/2 litre of blue and a full litre for when the other one runs out.
Extra clothes you never wear.
And don't over load your car.
 
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I think that a weighbridge can have a maximum error margin of up to 5%?
I'm afraid not.

'The accuracy limit for gross or train weights of a multi-plate weighbridge is +/- 50kg multiplied by the number of plates used for the weighing. Where an axle or group of axles is weighed on the same plate the accuracy limit is +/- 100kg.'

Ok if you're weighing a 20 tonne lorry, but for a caravan you could be 100kg over your MTPLM and believe that you're just on the limit.
 

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When it comes down to it, you are just wanting to know your not overloading your van, your not wanting a gauge to state that your 3 kg below 2000 kg. Your not bothered that your nose weight is 74 kg when your car can only take 75 kg.

In the end you find you carry so much stuff you never use. Sunshades for chairs, food tongs for inside the van, and another set for the BBQ.
1/2 litre of blue and a full litre for when the other one runs out.
Extra clothes you never wear.
And don't over load your car.
In other words....don't get bogged down in the technicalities......lighten up and enjoy the ride.

😁😁😁
 
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I'm afraid not.

'The accuracy limit for gross or train weights of a multi-plate weighbridge is +/- 50kg multiplied by the number of plates used for the weighing. Where an axle or group of axles is weighed on the same plate the accuracy limit is +/- 100kg.'

Ok if you're weighing a 20 tonne lorry, but for a caravan you could be 100kg over your MTPLM and believe that you're just on the limit.

But how does the plate know whether there are one or two axles on it? Why should the weighbridge be less accurate when there are two axles on the same plate?
 
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But how does the plate know whether there are one or two axles on it? Why should the weighbridge be less accurate when there are two axles on the same plate?
A question Lutz, is it know for European caravanners, to be concerned enough to take their vans to be weighed, When I toured in France I would see people arrive for 6 weeks and unload the van and come back next day with a trailer with awnings fridges and freezers, not really touring.
 

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