About time!

[Buckman]

It has been a bit unfair up to now, but Pay Per Mile taxes are being proposed for EVs. There is mention that it will also apply to hybrids, but not sure how that will work with the latter? See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mxgzpj1dvo

 

[Sam Vimes]

That's been the case in New Zealand for some time and includes deisel cars. You buy a voucher in advance for so many miles. Mileage is checked at the equivalent of MOT time to see you've paid the correct amount.

 

[Buckman]

That's been the case in New Zealand for some time and includes deisel cars. You buy a voucher in advance for so many miles. Mileage is checked at the equivalent of MOT time to see you've paid the correct amount.

I wonder if EVs can be clocked as easily as older cars? What if the car is a new EV and does not need a MOT for 3 years, but the owner sells before the 3 years? Still not sure how it will apply to hybrids?

 

[RogerL]

The fraudsters would have a field day!

There is of course much speculation in the press & media about upcoming tax increases in this month's Budget, most of which won't happen.

 

[otherclive]

I wonder if EVs can be clocked as easily as older cars? What if the car is a new EV and does not need a MOT for 3 years, but the owner sells before the 3 years? Still not sure how it will apply to hybrids?

Wouldn’t it be more applications EV and PHEV. Ordinary hybrids like mine still use petrol so I pay VED plus the various fuel tax and duties.

 

[IanB1485]

Any car odometer can be clocked - it just takes the right software and unfortunately criminals seem to access to such software.

 

[Tobes]

I wonder if EVs can be clocked as easily as older cars? What if the car is a new EV and does not need a MOT for 3 years, but the owner sells before the 3 years? Still not sure how it will apply to hybrids?

I doing think its a question of EVs vs older - its just new cars vs older cars. I have not had a car with a physical odometer for 20 years or more.

I would not worry how it applies to EVs or hybrids at this point. Right now the speculation is about an article in the Telegraph, and a spokesperson from the government saying that lack of fuel duty needs to be fairer for all.

_If_ it's announced at the next budget, I am sure the details will be spelled out. I would hope that the prices for EVs and Plugin-hybrids are similar (PHEV being a bit lower), and regular hybrids are either zero rate or at least lower, for fairness.

If petrol is £1.20 at the pump, today the driver is paying about 73p to HMRC. 52.95p in Duty and 20p in VAT. For a 50mpg car, that works out at 6.57p per mile.
An EV is paying somewhere between 5p and 15p per kWh VAT for public charging which is between 1.6 and 5p per mile for 3 miles per kWh. For home charging its about 1/3p per kWh or about 0.1p per mile.

So if the gov add 3p per mile road pricing, over 10,000 miles with about 1000 of those using public chargers (10%), an EV total would be something like 10,000 * 3p + 9,000 *0.1p + 1000 * 5p - about £359.

A petrol car would be 10,000 * 6.57 =
£657 at 50 mpg or
£821 at 40 mpg
£1,095 at 30 mpg.

Just to round out the picture.

Fuel + tax at 10k miles (£1.20 / L)	30mpg	40mpg	50mpg	EV @ 3miles /kWh 90% home at 7p/kWh 10% away at 75p/kWh
Tax + duty	£1095	£821	£675	£358
Fuel	£705	£529	£405	£400 (£200 + £208)
Total	£1800	£1350	£1080	£758

*Edited to fix the silly mistake

 

[Buckman]

Wouldn’t it be more applications EV and PHEV. Ordinary hybrids like mine still use petrol so I pay VED plus the various fuel tax and duties.

A PHEV also uses fuel. However I am still not sure how they will monitor as it will take years to implement any such Pay by Mile system on EVs, hybrids etc taking into account cars many cars are sold before the first MOT, cars on lease etc. What about cars that may be written off or simply SORN'ed.

 

[otherclive]

A PHEV also uses fuel. However I am still not sure how they will monitor as it will take years to implement any such Pay by Mile system on EVs, hybrids etc taking into account cars many cars are sold before the first MOT, cars on lease etc. What about cars that may be written off or simply SORN'ed.

I know that a PHEV uses fuel but it also uses low cost low vat electric. And in cities could run for weeks without using fuel. Hence my comment.