Awards links

[audiorob]

On the PC home page there is a link to see lists of awards but trying to click through to see any results is cyclical and just brings me back to the same list - anyone else having this problem?

 

[otherclive]

On the PC home page there is a link to see lists of awards but trying to click through to see any results is cyclical and just brings me back to the same list - anyone else having this problem?

Looked at link for best one for families and it works okay.

 

[Hutch]

Just tried the Best 4 berth Caravans, all working ok.

 

[audiorob]

Ok working now apparently as able to view best 2 berthers... Thanks

 

[Raywood]

To be frank after reading them there is far too much bias by the reviewers in their choices and some illogical marking particularly of the towing ability. They regard the Kia as worth five stars for towing yet say it can move whilst the Defender gets no criticism for towing but gets four stars, as an example. You can then look at the CAMH tests and get a completely different set of results with the Kia getting a very poor review for towing and a car incapable of towing anything other than a few very light caravans getting their tow car of the year.
I do get the feeling that motoring journalists are more interested in acceleration and speed rather than a safe steady vehicle which is what I think most caravanners want. The idea of the BMW getting the nod over the Range Rover models tends to support that as whatever other faults Range Rover models have their towing is beyond reproach.

 

[otherclive]

To be frank after reading them there is far too much bias by the reviewers in their choices and some illogical marking particularly of the towing ability. They regard the Kia as worth five stars for towing yet say it can move whilst the Defender gets no criticism for towing but gets four stars, as an example. You can then look at the CAMH tests and get a completely different set of results with the Kia getting a very poor review for towing and a car incapable of towing anything other than a few very light caravans getting their tow car of the year.
I do get the feeling that motoring journalists are more interested in acceleration and speed rather than a safe steady vehicle which is what I think most caravanners want. The idea of the BMW getting the nod over the Range Rover models tends to support that as whatever other faults Range Rover models have their towing is beyond reproach.

When you look at the various aspects that contribute to the final score, why shouldn't a BMW X5 be the winner. It's not just towing it is other factors too that contribute to the final placings. If it were just what can tow the most weight steadily there would be absolutely no point in submitting anything other than a heavyweight tug. My early tow car a BX 16 won TCOY back in the mid 1980s and it was a lightweight car, no contender in the stakes against a Defender, or Land Cruiser or Pajero. But its balance of attributes led to it coming out top.

 

[Dustydog]

Ray makes some very valid points . As one who has towed for decades I do find it hard to understand the reasoning behind the chosen winners. Is it about general usage or actual towing?
You will recall the origin of the BMW X5. Many moons ago when LR was owned by BMW , the German Engineers broke it down into individual parts to see what it made it so”good, warts and all”. It’s probably fair to say the X5 was what the LR should have been. Sadly LR reliability is still not where it should be according to the press🥲🥲

 

[otherclive]

Ray makes some very valid points . As one who has towed for decades I do find it hard to understand the reasoning behind the chosen winners. Is it about general usage or actual towing?
You will recall the origin of the BMW X5. Many moons ago when LR was owned by BMW , the German Engineers broke it down into individual parts to see what it made it so”good, warts and all”. It’s probably fair to say the X5 was what the LR should have been. Sadly LR reliability is still not where it should be according to the press🥲🥲

Yes the Range Rover 3 was engineered during BMWs ownership, then of course Land Rover were sold on to Ford.

 

[otherclive]

Reading the CMHC awards I do find it strange that there are inconsistencies with some of lasypt years cars. For example in 2021 the Skoda Superb estate was overall champion Yet this year the same car specification was runner up in its class. It got marked down for poor performance on hill starts, and lack of AWD. SO whats changed. Same car as last year, no AWD either year. Has the hill go steeper, or wasn’t it’s hill start ability as good as the Qashqai class winner. But that certainly wouldn’t be sufficient to class the Skoda as poor on hill starts.