Thanks Iestyn The larger site sounded better on the website. I will definitely be staying there this summerDo you mean BronDerw in Llanrwst-which is near Bettws y Coed? Bron Derw has a CL (open all year) and a lovely 25 pitch (I think) fully serviced site. Cl is sheltered and shaded while the large site is sunny and open. Both sites are very popular and the owners are extremely helpful. Thoroughly recommend both but especially the larger site.