Pete, couldnt have put it better myself, caravan is a glorified trailer and the point I tried to make, but for some, unable to take on board. MOTs for vans opens a can of worms for towed gizmo's of all shapes and sizes. For every 10 decent vanners out there there's always a - - - - - - ! and not the ones on Blackpool beach he haw. Please MOD do not remove this post. Some dorks have got to learn, that their looking down the nose syndrome they suffer from does not make them any more welcome in any group they choose to be part of.