Caravan noseweight ?

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..... one other thing!

Make sure all 4 wheels of your twin axle are on a flat surface when you measure the noseweight.

If the surface is uneven with the rear axle on a slight mound or the front axle in a slight dip, this can affect the reading you get and could make the reading heavier.

Dip under the rear or mound under the front then the reading could be lighter.
 
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to gafferbill

regarding noseweight it was always work out at 7% of vans factory weight

so to correctly tow one should weigh van after filling up and then 7% of that or as i have done for 30 odd years weigh every thing i put back into new

van i then have a starting point every time i go out
 
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7% can not always be obtained, alko usually have a limit of 100kg, so often the nose weight will be less than 7%
 

Mel

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Hi Sprocket. Did you make that noseweight gizmo yourself? Seriously impressed! If you go into production I would definitly buy one from you. How much with p&p?

mel
 
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The 7% formula is purely arbitrary and it is not supported by any founded results on which it is based.

Apart from the 100kg noseweight limit applicable to most caravans, many cars have a noseweight limit of only 75kg, in which case 7% wouldn't even be achievable with an 1100kg caravan.
 
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Lutz is quite right here.

The figures you need to respect are those of the carvan manufacturer and the car manufacturer. You must use the lower of the two as your max limit for nose weight.

Basically think of nose weight as the down force on the caravan hitch needed to avoid the caravan controlling the car, but likewise too much nose weight on the back of the car will lighten the grip pressure of the front wheels of the car, thus making steering and braking less effective.

I find that my Laguna tows perfect with 75Kgs on the hitch.

Another thing to consider is that excessive nose weight does slow down the ability of the hitch head to slide in it's body to activate the caravan brakes. So by over loading the hitch you could end up with the front wheels of the car locking up prematurely and the caravan brakes failing to apply thus leaving only the rear brakes doing the work and they only account for 40% of the car's braking ability when solo.

Atb Steve L.
 
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Steve

"Another thing to consider is that excessive nose weight does slow down the ability of the hitch head to slide in it's body to activate the caravan brakes"

That's a very interesting point, not one I've read before.

Andy says he's never checked his noseweight on his TA. I wonder if all the supplying dealers mention this important safety issue at handover?

I carry the Milenco tube guage which does the job very well.

On the TA's always check the tyre pressures first.

Sprocket

I love the kit . Shame it's not silver to match the car and trailer. LOL

Cheers

Dustydog
 
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I have only just read this thread all the way through, and the answer for Andy is to ask the caravan manufacturer.

How much value it has is open to debate. But regardless of what the manufacturer states, it is up to the driver of the outfit to ensure it is legally compliant and safe to tow. So that may well mean adding ballast for its first journey.

The point was made that from its first use onwards, the caravan is very unlikely to be as empty as when the manufacture made it. So any published empty nose weight will be of very limited use.

The actual value of the nose load is affected by how the caravan is loaded and how the tow car is loaded, so will change with use of the caravan, so it will be different at the start of a journey compared to the end, even just because of the reduced weight of fuel affecting the suspension of the car, not to mention all the holiday souvenirs and bottles of wine you have collected.

From the above it is important to measure nose load correctly, The measurement must be made with the hitch at the same height above the ground as when the loaded caravan is hitched to the loaded car. Even the weight of the driver will affect the height of hitch. This true for all trailers, but especially so for twin axle trailers which are particularly sensitive to the height of the hitch due to the interaction of the twin suspension units.

A point of law,

There are regulations concerning nose weight. I believe they call for an absolute minimum of 25Kg or anything more than 4% of MTPLM.

The load must not exceed the loading limit of either the tow bar or the trailer hitch

When measuring nose weight (Static vertical hitch load), although I agree in principal that there should be some allowance for the accuracy of a gauge, As far as I know the law does not does not say it makes allows for errors.

On that basis one has to assume the law places an absolute limit, and the user must allow for the error of the measuring device and err on the lower side.

However the device that the authorities might use to check a nose weight will also have errors, but should have a calibration record to show how to compensate for them. Any allowance made for tolerance is entirely at the discretion of the enforcing officer, but may be subject to a guideline from Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO.)

The bathroom scales are likely to be easier to read, and have finer graduations than the typical sliding cylinder nose weight gauges. Scales are easier to adjust and are likely to give more consistent readings. They can be checked relatively easily by using the fact that 1Litre of water weighs 1Kg, so a lightweight water container filled with a measured amount of water (e.g an Aquaroll) can be used to check some of the scale.
 
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To calibrate scales you would normally set zero, or the tare, calibrated again with a mid range weight, and if practical, again near full load (span), using a bag of sugar for a span off say 20stone is next to useless.

Same as dusty, that's a new one to me also, a excess nose weight can reduce the effectiveness of braking?

I find that difficult to believe,steve where is your source?

One would think, given the weight that the caravan exerts, that the brakes would still perform, with out a hitch?(pun).
 
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7% can not always be obtained, alko usually have a limit of 100kg, so often the nose weight will be less than 7%
to ray and lutz

andy asked how to find noseweightof new van when it leaves the factory andy would at least have a starting point to work from.and not as one comment to put every thing in the back of the van ????
 
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In various reviews in different magazines the Milenco Precision Calibrated Nose Weight Gauge seems to be the one they recommend. It won the PC magazine award, in thier Awards Issue. It is approved and calibrated to BS7961 that requires accuracy within 2kgs. they particularly advise this one if your noseweight is over 120kgs.

Have a look on thier site www.milenco.com

The other, at slightly lower cost is the Pyramid and you can see this on thier site... www.pyramid-products.com.

Sorry dont know how to do a proper link to these two companies, I need to go to Sprokets night classes.

Good luck and best regards,

George
I have just purchased this Milenco product, but it looks too high for my Twin Axle - does this matter - I did not get chance to try it as too busy cleaning for a trip on Saturday but want to check.

I don't think the van will sit horizontally does that matter?

Simeon
 
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I have just purchased the Milenco nose weight gauge but when I looked at my van over the weekend it is so low (twin axle Fleetwood Garland 185-EB 1995) that I am not sure I could get your gauge under the hitch.

If I did it would not sit horizontally - does this cause a problem or is this normal?

Can someone help?
 
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Hello Simeon,

Just in case you have not read all the threads, it may come as a surprise that the actual load a caravan hitch imposes on the ball varies with the height of the hitch. With a single axle caravan the hitch load reduces the higher the hitch is, and greater if it lowered.

Twin axles nose loads are more complex, because of the interaction of both sets of suspension. It is therefore vitally important that you take great care when measuring nose loads. The wrong height and the measurement will be wrong.

To measure the nose weight correctly you must follow these basic instructions.

Load both the car and the caravan with everything you are going to take on holiday, including all passengers and luggage. Couple the caravan to the car and park the outfit on level (Horizontal) ground. Any slope will affect the nose load reading.

Measure how high the centre of the hitch is from the ground, then set the parking brake (or chock the wheels) and uncouple the caravan.

Using the nose load gauge you must then support the caravan hitch at exactly the same height as it was when it was coupled to the car. Raise all the steadies and jockey wheel, so the gauge is taking the full nose load - read off the nose load from the gauge.

NOTE 1, if the gauge you have is too tall then it cannot be used, If it is too short then it needs to packed to give it the correct height

Alternatively use a pair of bathroom scales with load spreader and broom stale cut to length. (see some of the posts above where a contributor has made a purpose built frame for their caravan.

NOTE 2, when hitched to the car a caravan does not have to be level. The EU directive for tow balls states that when towing the hitch on a saloon car should ride between 350 and 420mm from the road to the centre of the ball.

If it is any different, then either hitch does not provide the right nose load, or there is something wrong with the car.

On horizontal ground, and the caravan coupled to the car with both the car and caravan the car and caravan fully loaded with all passengers adn luggage
 

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