ProfJohnL said:Dustydog said:Lest we forget, there will be future unknown disposal costs. The latest batteries I understand are not easily recyclable. How much will that cost?...
It is my understanding that batteries are highly recyclable. In many cases when a battery pack is no longer good enough for EV duty, they can be re purposed for other jobs such as home storage, and even at their end of life the constituent parts are recoverable and can be reconstituted. it's the anti EV brigade who keep on claiming there's s problem.
It may not be quite as easy as putting a car through a crusher, but it is being done and it will become easier as technology advances.
The emergency services will need to careful around EVs, but they have to be careful already with house and factory fires where mixtures of combustible fuels and high voltages already exist. In not suggesting it's a walk in the park for them, and vehicle manufacturer's should be taking steps to design in safety systems that will automatically be triggered when a vehicle is involved.
Dustydog said:Apologies for going back a few weeks.
Morning Prof,
There was a article in this Saturdays Daily Telegraph quoting Professor Andrew Abbott of Leicester University. His paper says we we will face a mountain of old car batteries which are not easily recyclable nor fit for landfill. He estimates electric cars sold in 2017 will generate 250,000 metric tonnes of unprocessed battery waste.By 2040 waste batteries will be a major problem.
Any thoughts from anyone?
Dustydog said:We are now abandoning plastics. Paper bags are back in vogue. No one has repeated the worries about killing the trees and our eco system!
Where are we truly going???
Dustydog said:We are now abandoning plastics. Paper bags are back in vogue. No one has repeated the worries about killing the trees and our eco system!
Where are we truly going???
Not surprising. VAG have been trying very hard this year to buy the bulk of Tesla.otherclive said:Interesting to see that Tesla will open its European design development and build facilities in Berlin. Now that will be an Elephant in the Room for German car makers. So much for Mrs Mays pledge for U.K. to be the leader in electric vehicles.
camel said:Most wèeks now we are seeing car manufacturers giving dates of when electric car production will be their priority, personally I will run a diesel till they sre phased out I' getting more and more peed off by left wing piticians and paper girls from Norway bloody telling me how to live my life,
otherclive said:Interesting to see that Tesla will open its European design development and build facilities in Berlin. Now that will be an Elephant in the Room for German car makers. So much for Mrs Mays pledge for U.K. to be the leader in electric vehicles.
Buckman said:I think it is brilliant news as we will not have to pay Tesla subsidies....Who would want to buy a 3 - 5 year old EV knowing that within 2 - 3 years you may have the expense of replacing the battery pack?
Buckman said:otherclive said:Interesting to see that Tesla will open its European design development and build facilities in Berlin. Now that will be an Elephant in the Room for German car makers. So much for Mrs Mays pledge for U.K. to be the leader in electric vehicles.
I think it is brilliant news as we will not have to pay Tesla subsidies. besides the vehicles are so expensive that only the rich can afford to buy them so obviously a low turn over. Who would want to buy a 3 - 5 year old EV knowing that within 2 - 3 years you may have the expense of replacing the battery pack? I am still of the opinion that EVs are not environmentally friendly and are not the answer.
Maybe this is an answer to making the planet carbon neutral. I found a rather interesting article regarding a new type of fuel that does away with EVs and is compatible with current vehicles . See HERE. https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/environment-and-conservation/2018/06/petrol-made-carbon-sucked-air There is also a video. https://youtu.be/Mb_8DJF6Hp0
ProfJohnL said:Buckman said:I think it is brilliant news as we will not have to pay Tesla subsidies....Who would want to buy a 3 - 5 year old EV knowing that within 2 - 3 years you may have the expense of replacing the battery pack?
What subsidies are you paying Tesla?
I really don't know where you get your figures from? Yes EV batteries do degrade, The degradation is gradual and not catastrophic, and the evidence so far is they don't degrade any where near as quickly as your suggesting so batteries are usually quite capable of meeting users needs for much longer than petrol heads would like to admit.
Presently any loss of range is easily offset by the increasing number of charging points that are available so being stranded by a degraded battery is not a realistic issue.
The prospect of extracting CO2 direct from air is a very interesting idea. The video you point to is weak on technical and cost details, but it certainly seems to have a contribution to make in the bigger scheme of climate change.
Please read that I said we will not have to pay subsidies as hopefully we will be out of the EU by then! Reading your reply it seems we get our information from the same source! :cheer:ProfJohnL said:What subsidies are you paying Tesla?Buckman said:I think it is brilliant news as we will not have to pay Tesla subsidies....Who would want to buy a 3 - 5 year old EV knowing that within 2 - 3 years you may have the expense of replacing the battery pack?
I really don't know where you get your figures from? Yes EV batteries do degrade, The degradation is gradual and not catastrophic, and the evidence so far is they don't degrade any where near as quickly as your suggesting so batteries are usually quite capable of meeting users needs for much longer than petrol heads would like to admit.
Presently any loss of range is easily offset by the increasing number of charging points that are available so being stranded by a degraded battery is not a realistic issue.
The prospect of extracting CO2 direct from air is a very interesting idea. The video you point to is weak on technical and cost details, but it certainly seems to have a contribution to make in the bigger scheme of climate change.
ProfJohnL said:Buckman said:I think it is brilliant news as we will not have to pay Tesla subsidies....Who would want to buy a 3 - 5 year old EV knowing that within 2 - 3 years you may have the expense of replacing the battery pack?
What subsidies are you paying Tesla?
I really don't know where you get your figures from? Yes EV batteries do degrade, The degradation is gradual and not catastrophic, and the evidence so far is they don't degrade any where near as quickly as your suggesting so batteries are usually quite capable of meeting users needs for much longer than petrol heads would like to admit.
Presently any loss of range is easily offset by the increasing number of charging points that are available so being stranded by a degraded battery is not a realistic issue.
The prospect of extracting CO2 direct from air is a very interesting idea. The video you point to is weak on technical and cost details, but it certainly seems to have a contribution to make in the bigger scheme of climate change.
Raywood said:ProfJohnL said:Buckman said:I think it is brilliant news as we will not have to pay Tesla subsidies....Who would want to buy a 3 - 5 year old EV knowing that within 2 - 3 years you may have the expense of replacing the battery pack?
What subsidies are you paying Tesla?
I really don't know where you get your figures from? Yes EV batteries do degrade, The degradation is gradual and not catastrophic, and the evidence so far is they don't degrade any where near as quickly as your suggesting so batteries are usually quite capable of meeting users needs for much longer than petrol heads would like to admit.
Presently any loss of range is easily offset by the increasing number of charging points that are available so being stranded by a degraded battery is not a realistic issue.
The prospect of extracting CO2 direct from air is a very interesting idea. The video you point to is weak on technical and cost details, but it certainly seems to have a contribution to make in the bigger scheme of climate change.
Hi Prof, I think you are correct that the batteries will last longer than rumours suggest. My nephew has a Tesla and has a 10 year guarantee so while they are not that old yet he has no problem so far with loss of range. Not sure all makes are equal though and the only person I know of who had one long enough found they lasted 6 years but those are now old types and the newer ones should do better.
On long distances though he has not had a serious problem because of the cars computer showing which points are working and free. Getting 200 miles or so before it needs a charge means that you can then stop for planned breaks so manages but cars without the computer information might struggle.
I accept that the numbers of charging points has increased but there is a problem with many being out of order for long periods and with the urban ones of people hooking up in the morning and leaving them there all day. Where we live there are two in a car park which are taken early and the cars left, preventing others using them, and two more in the station. These are taken by commuters, so again are not really effective. This is a problem that has to be dealt with if charging is to work. Essentially we have four charging
points but only four people a day can use them most days.