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Notice I said "literal"! I can't stand unruly bilghters and we seem to have more than our fair share over here, but it is not the fault of the kids, the blame lies directly with the parents who couldn't care less about the behavious of their off spring.
Oh right - "proverbial literal clip" - got a bit confused there!

Thought for a minute there you were going round bashing other people's children - I know things are different in South Africa but didn't think things had gone that far.

Do you bash the parents ears as they are the ones you blame then or the kids as they are the easier targets and can't proverbially literally clip you back?
 
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"Most sites carry a notice to the effect that the site owner cannot be held responsible for any damage or loss to your property."

Not true. If your caravan to becomes damaged because of the actions of other people on the site, you can claim from the caravan park owner. It would then be up to the caravan park owner to claim from those responsible. Hence liability insurance.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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"Most sites carry a notice to the effect that the site owner cannot be held responsible for any damage or loss to your property."

Not true. If your caravan to becomes damaged because of the actions of other people on the site, you can claim from the caravan park owner. It would then be up to the caravan park owner to claim from those responsible. Hence liability insurance.
Hello Ian, If you had read my posting you would see that was exactly one of the points I was making.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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Hello George,

And thanks for your comment,

The point is that, if a site rule says one thing and it is broken, then who is responsible? As far you (the innocent victim) are concerned it is the site owner who sets the rules and has failed to enforce them.

Consider the parallel situation, If someone breaks into your house, you call the police, not the criminal.

The action the site owner takes is down to them, but if they do nothing to remove or mitigate the aberration, then they have been negligent in their duty to other site users.

Ultimately the site owner can ask the offenders to leave, and in future may refuse re-entry. That is the owners' choice.
 
Apr 15, 2006
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Its CL's for me everytime

No rules & regulations. Just a field and 5 vans. Kids can play free, no-one gives my dogs dirty looks. Do not need to whisper after 11pm.

Proper sites leave me cold - hold about as much appeal as pitching up an an ASDA car park.
 
May 31, 2007
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We prefer to use CL sites but everyone has their own preferences, we have 2 young children and as all children they like to play and have fun. We make sure that they play away from other vans and cars so as not to cause any damage or disturb fellow caravaners, they go away to enjoy themselves as well as us.

If there is an incident on a site then it should be reported to the site owner/warden, they will have or should have the members membership number for the individuals that have caused disturbance/damage, this can then be reported to the CC. They could then take action against the member either as a warning letter or if a more serious incident has taken place remove them from the club.

We all going away to relax and enjoy our breaks away either by sitting outside/inside our vans or going out and about in the area. But there will always be those people that just dont care about others such is the society we live in. Im glad to say im not one of those and I amd my family respect our fellow caravaners.
 
Mar 13, 2007
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hi all

having just got back from my first ever stay on a adults only site I have only one comment to make.

WOW WHAT A DIFFERANCE.

silence is golden, roll on september.

colin
 
Apr 21, 2007
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i remember going on holiday with my parent and everyone had time to talk to you and everyone sat outside there caravan and enjoyed watching the kids playing and often they enjoyed joining in.

on a holiday we spent a couple of years ago with my in-laws my son wanted to play with his bat and ball so we ended up roping his grandparents into rounders(dont think they have had a holiday as good for a long time)

Then last year on holiday we made friends with a couple on a neighbouring pitch it was that warm we ended up having a water fight all the young caravaners round about thought this was fun but then we had the older caravaners that had a look of worry on their face (just wish i could have put a bucket of water over their long faces) in both of these cases i feel we were trying to encourage the kids to enjoy themselves instead of watching tv. i do respect other people and there privacy but come on lighten up your on holiday.
 
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hi all

having just got back from my first ever stay on a adults only site I have only one comment to make.

WOW WHAT A DIFFERANCE.

silence is golden, roll on september.

colin
Silence, yes I bet there was plenty of that, but was there any LIFE , any SOUL, did anyone even venture outside there awnings ?

Nah, thought not.
 
May 29, 2007
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Kathryn, i once lived next door to a young couple who regularly had friends round and parties till all hours and who thought nothing of disturbing my then sleeping 2 year old and 5 year old. Then they had a little boy themselves who it seemed did not like to sleep. After 6pm my children were not allowed to walk up stairs put the TV on or play with noisie toys for fear of the husband/wife coming over and hammering on the door. In your post you talk about your children like they are golden, Having had four i can tell you they are not. Also last weekend my husband and i stayed in a site in westwales one of the caravaners had four boys aged 7 - 11. One evening they were be very loud and i heard the mother remark " Don't play here, go and play around someone elses caravan". I love children and thats why i had four, but i made them behave. I would never send them somewhere to damage some one elses property, even by accident. Theres a time and a place for everything. I also enjoy a good ball game but i also would'nt want my Caravan damaged. I wonder, Would you?
 
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no george there wasn't and thats what made it so perfect for us no football, no noisy kids,no barbies to choke you,no loud thumping music,

just the wind in the trees and the dawn corus to listen to magic I reckon.

each to there own I say, if you want the hussle and bussle of a family site go for it, but those of us that like peace and quiet should be left alone in traquility, and not treated like some kind of aliens from another planet
 
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Hi Diane,

Like others, you seem to have missed the point of Kathryn's post, she nor anyone else condones selfish behaviour that may upset other, reasonable minded, caravanners, she is trying to make the point that caravanning is not the freindly, sociable pastime it used to be, but that applies to life in general as everyone is glued to the TV screen rather than do anything that involves excercise or socialising, why do you think we are getting so fat as a nation?.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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The general consencious is that life is too stressful. We are letting our problems get on top of us and then cannot unwinde when we are on holiday. This is confirmed by the number of people posting on this forum who insist that they must have internet connections whilst on holiday in case there is a problem at work. If work is so important why bother to go away in the first place. I told my line manager that when I go out through the college gates for home I do not even think of work let alone bring it home with me. He had a go at me but my answer was that I was either not doing my work whilst in work or they were pressurising me with too much work and they should employ extra staff to cope. When I threatened to call the union in for harrassment he backed down.
 
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hi colin bridgend

you will of course heard of the working time directive if it does not apply to you thats a shame best thing to come out of europe bar none do your 48 hrs and sod em.

as a driver I will not do more than 10hrs a day over 4 days with a 8 hr shift on the 5th day even though deliveries are done 24/7

like you I will not do extra hours but in my case have a piece of paper for proof.

driving for a living is very stresfull and thats why I want peace and quiet when away so I can chill out and unwind.

I do conversly however like internet access if possible because I use the lap top as a tv and dvd player and also like to keep up with my emails and talk to friends on the internet via MSN plus I have more time to play internet poker while away. but the wife does not like it.he.he.he.

regards colin
 
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colin, the working time directive is excellent if it applies to you but with some, like the Ambulance Service, it doesn't apply. When I was employed on there, the government had the option of opting out of it for certain sections. We had our meals whenever we could snatch a bite, no wonder that I lived on antacid tablets at the time. If things were busy it was tough for some, no meal breaks. I always got mine though because if control passed me another job and I'd been on duty for more than 5 hours I threatened to go home sick because my blood sugar levels had dropped. Rather than lose a crew they always relented and I got my break unless it was a 999 call.

Maybe things have altered in the 3 years since I finished and hopefully they now get their breaks. If it was left to my newer colleagues at the time they still wouldn't because they were scared of their own shadows and wouldn't dare stand up to management. I don't wish to be controversial (for a change) but if the Ambulance Service had to fight to get better conditions it wouldn't be through industrial action like it was in 89. Why? Because now there are a lot more females working for the service now than in 89 who are second wage earners and taking that kind of action is a no no.

When a person is the only breadwinner it puts a different perspective on it. I was a shop steward in 89 and our service, Hereford & Worcester, never worked for almost 4 months with the exception of about 5 people who signed a management letter saying they weren't striking. What did they do, they went sick....hehheh! After the dispute ended none of them lasted long though, some finished altogether while others transferred to another service, one going as far as Edinburgh.

What I would like to clarify was the fact we carried on working doing 999 calls without pay, that was until management under government orders (namely Kenneth Clarke), took away the insurance cover.

We would always be indebted to the publics generosity though because in those 4 months we never lost a penny due to donations. A large local hotel used to send tureens of soup over to the picket line. Lorries would drop off pallets for our fire. We had bread lorries and potato lorries drooping off some of their loads. Turkeys were supplied at Christmas and Mattel the toy makers supplied toys for those with children.

It was one of lifes experiences and I don't regret a minute of it because our cause was just and the Conservative government of the time had reneagued on another promise from the past.

Anyway, I digress, back to kathryns thread of Family Caravanning ... hehheh!

Why do I keep going off the mainline down the branchline?

Oh yes, following on from colin-yorkshires thread, I'll blame him ;O)
 
May 29, 2007
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GARFIELD, I don't think i have missed the point at all, "Like most people". From what i am reading Kathryn seems to think that people with children are in some way outed by other caravaners, To quote "So far this year we have only seen the outside of people's caravans with huge satellite dishes attached and occasional sniffy twitches as they pull aside their flyscreens to peer outside to make sure our boys are not coming too close to their territory."

"All this talk of Adults only sites and no ball games allowed and children to be seen (if absolutely necessary) but not heard is giving our family a pain in the neck"

I can tell you that when we were away the other weekend and we had loads of problems with the van, we had half the site in trying to fix it and i was offered more tea and sympathy than i could possibly drink. As for overwieght caravaners i havent met any yet my self included being 5.2 and just under 9 stone.So to close , No Garfield i did not miss the point.
 
Jul 3, 2006
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Actually Garfield is spot on - that was exactly the point I was trying to make with a few embelishments to make the post more interesting! it has certainly stirred up a can of worms and some of the defensiveness and aggression that has been engendered by my post certainly confirmed my views.

I do think that as a nation we do watch too much TV and that this makes us fat, lazy and unsociable. At home we are on a week of no TV whatsoever - I used to let the kids watch a video after school while I made tea but at the moment we are doing crafts together, playing in the park, and just generally talking more and interacting more as a family.

This came about after watching the Panorama programme on BBC1 on Monday night which did a similar experiment with interesting results. We realised that when we were in the caravan we don't take a TV or laptop and we get on so well together we don't need them and we talk to each other more and interact more so we thought we would try it at home as well. We have had a fantastic week and we have solved the problem of unsociable caravanners by taking our own friends with us and staying on smaller sites. This weekend we are off to Wales with a large group of friends, no TVs just lots of balls, frisbees, crafty things in case it rains and tons of immagination! Balls & frisbees of course only to be used well away from any caravans before you all start...................
 
May 29, 2007
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Well then Kathryn if this is the case, can i recommend Windmill Hill Caravan and camping park. We stayed there for five days 3 weeks ago and it is just up your street. All the other caravaners are very friendly and helpful, loads of children, in the middle of the Pembrokeshire countryside, 10 Min walk to town, very clean. AND it has a tent park in the next field.

Oh by the way we also don't have a T.V. or laptop in our caravan.
 
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Ive only ever used sites a handful of times, i rally mostly.

My kids have grown up rallying, and they have had the most wonderful times on rallies, and still do.

I dont think sites is for me, i like my kids to enjoy themselves as much as we do, as long as it doesnt upset anyone else. One thing ive found is the CC rallies can cater for kids no problem.

Rallying is the ideal solution for us.
 

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I find the comments about TVs very interesting. We decided not to have a TV in the van and I consider the time away on campsites to be a relationship building exercise with my wife and children.

But it's not just TV - at home the TV is rarely on during the day but I'm usually busy doing simple DIY and my wife is usually busy (anything from washing and cleaning to checking Emails or filing bills). When we're away, our entire focus is on what to do together as a family.

So it's not just TV that distracts us but the normal tasks that we all have to perform. Like most dads, I include the children when doing jobs around the house but as they don't get to use the power tools, they eventually wonder off. Caravanning eliminates the distractions and provides a simpler set of tasks that we can all enjoy and then gives us "free" time to do something together - balls are often included!
 
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Well then Kathryn if this is the case, can i recommend Windmill Hill Caravan and camping park. We stayed there for five days 3 weeks ago and it is just up your street. All the other caravaners are very friendly and helpful, loads of children, in the middle of the Pembrokeshire countryside, 10 Min walk to town, very clean. AND it has a tent park in the next field.

Oh by the way we also don't have a T.V. or laptop in our caravan.
Thanks Diane - just had a read of some reviews on UKCampsite and it looks fabulous. We will give it a try in August. Thanks for the comment love Kath xxx
 
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Ive only ever used sites a handful of times, i rally mostly.

My kids have grown up rallying, and they have had the most wonderful times on rallies, and still do.

I dont think sites is for me, i like my kids to enjoy themselves as much as we do, as long as it doesnt upset anyone else. One thing ive found is the CC rallies can cater for kids no problem.

Rallying is the ideal solution for us.
Lenny there are very few who dislike well behaved kids, those that don't shouldn't be on this planet, let alone a caravan site :O)
 
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I find the comments about TVs very interesting. We decided not to have a TV in the van and I consider the time away on campsites to be a relationship building exercise with my wife and children.

But it's not just TV - at home the TV is rarely on during the day but I'm usually busy doing simple DIY and my wife is usually busy (anything from washing and cleaning to checking Emails or filing bills). When we're away, our entire focus is on what to do together as a family.

So it's not just TV that distracts us but the normal tasks that we all have to perform. Like most dads, I include the children when doing jobs around the house but as they don't get to use the power tools, they eventually wonder off. Caravanning eliminates the distractions and provides a simpler set of tasks that we can all enjoy and then gives us "free" time to do something together - balls are often included!
Shouldn't you be called DAD?
 

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