Freelander 2

[sparkes]

Cliff.

No disrespect but they are different vehicles. the terrain response is one sign of this. Your call for a comparison is like comparing a x-type to a vectra. Both saloons and both well equiped but the price is different.

A straight question to ask is within the same group. How about comparing the mondeo the the X-type. are they not the same car but vastly different in price

 

[cliff_5040076]

sorry

 

[sparkes]

no need to apologise. I was just making a point

 

[CliveV]

Cliff - do you ever read the posts?

I will deal with your points one at a time with my comments in capitals just to make it easy to follow - Not shouting - just used for emphasis:-

Clive V

You never do answer any direct question, you just ignore the ones that you have no answer to.

I HAVE ANSWERRED YOU JUST DO NOT READ WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU

How do you know that the Freelander 2 is "streets ahead of everything else" when you are still awaiting a test drive.

Clairvoyance perhaps?

NO FROM THE TEST REPORTS I HAVE READ - ANY OPINION I MAKE WOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE - I PREFER TO REFER TO EXPERT OPINION

I have just been on the What Car website and compared the top of the range Honda CRV against a top of the range Freelander 2.

Apart from the autobox and multi cd player, and hands free phone the specs are remarkably similar, only the price is different.

The Honda CRV costs

 

[cliff_5040076]

Clive V

What are you waffling on about the old CRV for. You have not even bothered to look on What Car have you? The comparison was of the new model CRV and the Freelander 2

I'll make it easy for you if you can be bothered ---on What car's home page under Latest Car Reviews-

BMW X5

Honda CRV (the new model)

Volvo C30

Land Rover Freelander(new model)

Chrysler Sebring

That's where I got my facts from,they are there for anyone to read.

You have not bothered to check a thing I have written, you have just jumped onto the keyboard and typed away.

You then doubt my ability to read.

Why?

The review of the 2 vehicles is there in black and white on the website. I read both reviews and perhaps you could show me where I misrepresented a single thing.

All prices, specifications and star ratings are there for anyone to read.

Unlike yourself I make sure of my facts before I type.

My post has not been aggressive and I don,t need to use capitals to make my point.

Aggressive postings is something I have noticed you have a tendancy to claim on a regular basis but a number of your posts have been deleted by the moderators on numerous occasions. This would suggest aggressive or abusive postings by yourself rather than other people.

By the way I do know a little about cars,I did an apprenticeship in the 1970's at a Ford Main Dealership. I still have the City and Guilds certificates in the attic. I think that qualifys me to join your "some of us who know what we are talking about".

 

[CliveV]

This is not the comparative test from what car that I was referring to.

However, even the road test you quote on the Honda CRV (which is a good car in my view) states that:-

Car Review - Summary

Honda CR-V 4x4

TARGET PRICE:

 

[CliveV]

Oh and the road test I am quoting is available on a screen near you - just cut and paste:-

http://www.landrover.com/microsites/fl2microsite/uk/pdf/Freelander2_WhatCarReview.pdf
It really is worth a read cliff.

 

[cliff_5040076]

Clive V

Don,t be so selective.

You quote Honda CRV's summary but you omit the Freelander

so I,ll do it for you.

Car Review - Summary

Land Rover Freelander 4x4

TARGET PRICE:

 

[Colinn]

Sorry to butt in on a private argument, but Cliff, you're wasting your time!

Consider...

Quote 1, replying to your assertion on Freelander2:

NO FROM THE TEST REPORTS I HAVE READ - ANY OPINION I MAKE WOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE - I PREFER TO REFER TO EXPERT OPINION

Note the words: "I prefer to refer to expert opinion"

Quote 2 (from the same person's earlier post)

Journalists are as trustworthy as politicians.

Both are so full of **it that their eyes are brown.

Why are you scratching your head, Cliff??!! Well don't worry, I can't fathom it either.

The quotes I refer to are available on a screen near you!!

As I said Cliff, you're wasting your time...

 

[cliff_5040076]

I did read the test review you give a link to and I was impressed with what I read. When Land Rover see sense and drop the price to a more realistic level, I may be tempted myself to give it a test drive.

 

[CliveV]

Have you actually read the comparison What car report?

That too says that the Freelander is the one to beat.

I doubt that any manufacturer makes a truly bad car anymore.

What makes me laugh about your posts cliff is that I have never ever said anything remotely bad about the Honda or any other car. All I have said is that the What car review said it was the best!

I have no idea why you then went off on one re the Honda but it still seems that you have not looked at the article which is a true comparative test.

In comparison the tests you are quoting from looks at the cars in isolation. Both are equally valid.

But I notice you only make a proper reference to what you were referring too very late in the day whereas I have posted the What car comparative report on several occasions.

And I still have doubts that you have actually read it. In contrast as soon as you made it clear that we were referring to different reference sources I looked at yours!

And low and behold - the Freelander is quoted as being better Off-Road - due no doubt to the highly sophisticated Terrain Response system the Freelander has.

One reason for the price difference I would suggest.

And as the What Car guys say - strong residuals will mean that whilst it may be more money up front you will get more on trade in.

Come on cliff - you have to admit that whilst both are good vehicles the Freelander has the pedigree, the technology (BMW use a near identical copy in their X series and if you want to knock a car on price have a look at the BMW's!) and the sheer ability that the Honda lacks.

If I just needed a car to tow a caravan the Honda would do fine. But I don't, I do far more. I do not use my 2001 Freelander for towing - I have my Discovery for that. But there will come a time when we need just one vehicle not two. If that time were now, the Freelander 2 wins hands down

Because in my opinion and that of every review I have read on it - it is streets ahead of the opposition in off-road ability.

And that is something I for one would pay more for.

 

[CliveV]

Sorry to butt in on a private argument, but Cliff, you're wasting your time!

Consider...

Quote 1, replying to your assertion on Freelander2:

NO FROM THE TEST REPORTS I HAVE READ - ANY OPINION I MAKE WOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE - I PREFER TO REFER TO EXPERT OPINION

Note the words: "I prefer to refer to expert opinion"

Quote 2 (from the same person's earlier post)

Journalists are as trustworthy as politicians.

Both are so full of **it that their eyes are brown.

Why are you scratching your head, Cliff??!! Well don't worry, I can't fathom it either.

The quotes I refer to are available on a screen near you!!

As I said Cliff, you're wasting your time...

I hardly think the likes of the journalists of the Sun Mirror Mail Times Guardian etc etc can be compared to the motoring correspondents of specialist mags like What Car !!!!!

Or Practical caravan for that matter!!!!

Colinn - never miss a chance to have a go do you.

 

[KenWashington]

Let's calm this thread down now and back off from the personal comments.

 

[RickyLionheart]

Quote

"And low and behold - the Freelander is quoted as being better Off-Road - due no doubt to the highly sophisticated Terrain Response system the Freelander has."

Now that will be handy for the school run

lol

Seriously though can't you guys see why you are paying these hugely inflated prices for these vehicles.

Terrain response systems, hill descent, umpteen forward and reverse gears, etc, etc, all kit that is never used but you are willing to pay thousands of pounds over the odds for it.

Laughable really

 

[CliveV]

It was round here last week Ricky

We do not all live in urban areas you know!

 

[sparkes]

Ricky

Thats the difference. You do not see the extra value because you do not use the equipment. I do use it and can see the value in having it available.

Each to their own i suppose. But, personally I cannot see the reason for a 4x4 that is not capable of good off road progress. If I did not use the equipment then I would buy a people carrier.

Steve

 

[Colinn]

Sorry to butt in on a private argument, but Cliff, you're wasting your time!

Consider...

Quote 1, replying to your assertion on Freelander2:

NO FROM THE TEST REPORTS I HAVE READ - ANY OPINION I MAKE WOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE - I PREFER TO REFER TO EXPERT OPINION

Note the words: "I prefer to refer to expert opinion"

Quote 2 (from the same person's earlier post)

Journalists are as trustworthy as politicians.

Both are so full of **it that their eyes are brown.

Why are you scratching your head, Cliff??!! Well don't worry, I can't fathom it either.

The quotes I refer to are available on a screen near you!!

As I said Cliff, you're wasting your time...

Oh dear? Now car and caravan magazine writers are not journalists? They wouldn't be pleased to hear that...

 

[RickyLionheart]

I'm sorry but I'm glad that I paid extra for my factory fitted garage door opener and the Jaguar Alpine 10 speaker premium sound system

Much more usefully

lol

 

[RickyLionheart]

I'm sorry but I'm glad that I paid extra for my factory fitted garage door opener and the Jaguar Alpine 10 speaker premium sound system

Much more usefully

lol

oops useful

 

[CliveV]

Steve - a few of us are going to dilute the winter "blues" with a trip to the Donnington Indoor 4x4 show in Feb. - http://www.britishindoor4x4show.com/exhibitors.cgi

Any thoughts on going?

 

[CliveV]

Sorry to butt in on a private argument, but Cliff, you're wasting your time!

Consider...

Quote 1, replying to your assertion on Freelander2:

NO FROM THE TEST REPORTS I HAVE READ - ANY OPINION I MAKE WOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE - I PREFER TO REFER TO EXPERT OPINION

Note the words: "I prefer to refer to expert opinion"

Quote 2 (from the same person's earlier post)

Journalists are as trustworthy as politicians.

Both are so full of **it that their eyes are brown.

Why are you scratching your head, Cliff??!! Well don't worry, I can't fathom it either.

The quotes I refer to are available on a screen near you!!

As I said Cliff, you're wasting your time...

Why ever not? - I believe it was Richard Hammond of Top Gear (and that crash) fame that said he preferred the term "motoring correspondent" - I think I know why.

The term "Journalist" is not one synonymous with the truth and high standards.

You should apply.

 

[Colinn]

Sorry to butt in on a private argument, but Cliff, you're wasting your time!

Consider...

Quote 1, replying to your assertion on Freelander2:

NO FROM THE TEST REPORTS I HAVE READ - ANY OPINION I MAKE WOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE - I PREFER TO REFER TO EXPERT OPINION

Note the words: "I prefer to refer to expert opinion"

Quote 2 (from the same person's earlier post)

Journalists are as trustworthy as politicians.

Both are so full of **it that their eyes are brown.

Why are you scratching your head, Cliff??!! Well don't worry, I can't fathom it either.

The quotes I refer to are available on a screen near you!!

As I said Cliff, you're wasting your time...

And his best mate Jeremy you-know-who has just described the Jaguar XK as a "half-arsed" car. Surely that car can't be Top Gear's Car of the Year, can it? Well blow me, it is. Gripping stuff from the experts, eh??

 

[CliveV]

Sorry to butt in on a private argument, but Cliff, you're wasting your time!

Consider...

Quote 1, replying to your assertion on Freelander2:

NO FROM THE TEST REPORTS I HAVE READ - ANY OPINION I MAKE WOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE - I PREFER TO REFER TO EXPERT OPINION

Note the words: "I prefer to refer to expert opinion"

Quote 2 (from the same person's earlier post)

Journalists are as trustworthy as politicians.

Both are so full of **it that their eyes are brown.

Why are you scratching your head, Cliff??!! Well don't worry, I can't fathom it either.

The quotes I refer to are available on a screen near you!!

As I said Cliff, you're wasting your time...

Well if JC said that - it must be true!

 

[sparkes]

I will drop you a mail Clive. But if all goes well, I will be there

Steve

 

[Colinn]

Sorry to butt in on a private argument, but Cliff, you're wasting your time!

Consider...

Quote 1, replying to your assertion on Freelander2:

NO FROM THE TEST REPORTS I HAVE READ - ANY OPINION I MAKE WOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE - I PREFER TO REFER TO EXPERT OPINION

Note the words: "I prefer to refer to expert opinion"

Quote 2 (from the same person's earlier post)

Journalists are as trustworthy as politicians.

Both are so full of **it that their eyes are brown.

Why are you scratching your head, Cliff??!! Well don't worry, I can't fathom it either.

The quotes I refer to are available on a screen near you!!

As I said Cliff, you're wasting your time...

Quite. So what does that make of the so-called motoring correspondent "experts" of the specialist magazines in which you place so much faith??