Please help I need too know how to fit a gas tap to the outside of the van so I can use my barbeque. Any help will be appreciated Tony
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Damian
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Tony , if you know nothing about gas fitting, and from your post you do not, then get a competent person to do it, like a caravan dealer or mobile fitter.
If you decide to go the C.O.R.G.I route, you will need a fitter who is qualified in LPG as well, as that is a separate qualification.
However, privately owned caravans and motorcaravans are exempt from C.O.R.G.I regs as long as they are not hired out as part of a business.
Most dealer workshops are not C.O.R.G.I registered nor are their fitters, but should be ACoPS qualified if they ar epart of the NCC Approved Workshop scheme.
If you decide to go the C.O.R.G.I route, you will need a fitter who is qualified in LPG as well, as that is a separate qualification.
However, privately owned caravans and motorcaravans are exempt from C.O.R.G.I regs as long as they are not hired out as part of a business.
Most dealer workshops are not C.O.R.G.I registered nor are their fitters, but should be ACoPS qualified if they ar epart of the NCC Approved Workshop scheme.
As a ex gas fitter i agree with Damien Allen . it is a easy job to do and most parts are available in the dealers shop.even if you are competant in doing the job and get a CORGI fitter to check it out and if he finds a drop he will have to go through every fitting to find fault and that can mean time= expence.
Hello Tony,
I fully concur with previous contributors about having the job done by a competent fitter.
Note for Damien,
I understand your comments and their intention, but they are factually incorrect, and I think give a misleading impression of who can undertake gas fitting in caravans.
All gas installations in the UK are subject to the regulations contained in the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations Act. This includes privately owned touring caravans and motorhomes . The way the Act deals with privately owned touring caravans and motorhomes differs from the mainstream Domestic and Industrial installations, by the fact that fitters do not have to be registered with the Competent assessment managers, CORGI. (I personally think this is a dangerous dilution on safety grounds)
All other aspects of the quality and procedures relating to gas installations are applicable, and any person doing work on gas installations must comply with them. These are the ACoPS.
CORGI only manage the assessment of fitter competencies and record keeping. They do not make or set regulations, though they can police and aspects of the GS(I&U) Act. Enforcement is down to the Health & Safety Executive.
So for clarity; All caravan gas fitting must be carried out to the appropriate standards by a competent person. However the competent person does not need to be registered with CORGI. That begs the question how can a person be proven competent if they are not assessed?
I fully concur with previous contributors about having the job done by a competent fitter.
Note for Damien,
I understand your comments and their intention, but they are factually incorrect, and I think give a misleading impression of who can undertake gas fitting in caravans.
All gas installations in the UK are subject to the regulations contained in the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations Act. This includes privately owned touring caravans and motorhomes . The way the Act deals with privately owned touring caravans and motorhomes differs from the mainstream Domestic and Industrial installations, by the fact that fitters do not have to be registered with the Competent assessment managers, CORGI. (I personally think this is a dangerous dilution on safety grounds)
All other aspects of the quality and procedures relating to gas installations are applicable, and any person doing work on gas installations must comply with them. These are the ACoPS.
CORGI only manage the assessment of fitter competencies and record keeping. They do not make or set regulations, though they can police and aspects of the GS(I&U) Act. Enforcement is down to the Health & Safety Executive.
So for clarity; All caravan gas fitting must be carried out to the appropriate standards by a competent person. However the competent person does not need to be registered with CORGI. That begs the question how can a person be proven competent if they are not assessed?
I'm fairly sure Corgi only covers Domestic, I also believe it was Corgi that introduced the new ACS standard and won't anymore accept Acops for registration... tail wagging the dog I've always thought!!
Nothing against this in principle but what use is a full ACS course including domestic home installations to a caravan fitter??? well that's what he needs to do!!!
The Caravan Council through there training arm 'CITO' then launched a scheme under the wing of H&E and thereby ACoP to provide the necessary targeted training without getting bogged down in the un-necessary.
This is the course I undertook at it's introduction about 4 years ago, since then it's been rolled out across the country, I would expect most now to have this accreditation
Damian
Moderator
In reply to John,
I am not factually incorrect, as if you take the time to read the NCC Dealer Technical Bulletin you will find the following:
Important Notice to All Touring/Motor Caravan dealers.
Competency of Gas Fitters
"You will be aware that under the Gas Safety (Installation & Use) Regulations 1998(GSI &URS) dealers DO NOT require to be CORGI registered, or use CORGI registerd installers to carry out Gas work on PRIVATELY owned touring/motor caravans"
it then goes on to say that to work on Static vans, touring and motor caravans WHICH ARE HIRED OUT as Part of a Business, that you MUST be CORGI registered.
They recommend that the minimum competence level should be the old ACoPS, which has been replaced by the ACS system of accreditation under the auspices of the European Registration System.
I am not, nor have ever countenanced gas fitting by anyone not deemed "competent"
I am not factually incorrect, as if you take the time to read the NCC Dealer Technical Bulletin you will find the following:
Important Notice to All Touring/Motor Caravan dealers.
Competency of Gas Fitters
"You will be aware that under the Gas Safety (Installation & Use) Regulations 1998(GSI &URS) dealers DO NOT require to be CORGI registered, or use CORGI registerd installers to carry out Gas work on PRIVATELY owned touring/motor caravans"
it then goes on to say that to work on Static vans, touring and motor caravans WHICH ARE HIRED OUT as Part of a Business, that you MUST be CORGI registered.
They recommend that the minimum competence level should be the old ACoPS, which has been replaced by the ACS system of accreditation under the auspices of the European Registration System.
I am not, nor have ever countenanced gas fitting by anyone not deemed "competent"
Hello Damien,
Thank you for replying and quoting the NCC guidance. It supports my interpretation of the regulations.
Where I believe your posting of the 18th was factually in error and misleading (and I do not believe it was an intentional act on your part) is that you state that privately owned caravan and motor homes are exempt from CORGI regs. The problem is that CORGI do not make the regulations, they belong to the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Act. CORGI only enacts them, so the phrase is technically incorrect, but can be easily misunderstood by people not in the trade as to suggest that no regulations apply to privately owned caravans and motor homes.
As we both know the GSIUR regulations do apply, and we should avoid references that can be easily misinterpreted that might encourage untrained persons to work on gas systems.
From my own personal experience, I have had to investigate and write reports on gas related incidents. I have seen some horrendously unsafe installations carried out by people who thought they knew what they were doing, but based on the evidence did not. Some of the cases involved serious injuries but thankfully no fatalities. Though I am not actively involved in this work now I still believe we must advocate sound advice on this forum.
Thank you for replying and quoting the NCC guidance. It supports my interpretation of the regulations.
Where I believe your posting of the 18th was factually in error and misleading (and I do not believe it was an intentional act on your part) is that you state that privately owned caravan and motor homes are exempt from CORGI regs. The problem is that CORGI do not make the regulations, they belong to the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Act. CORGI only enacts them, so the phrase is technically incorrect, but can be easily misunderstood by people not in the trade as to suggest that no regulations apply to privately owned caravans and motor homes.
As we both know the GSIUR regulations do apply, and we should avoid references that can be easily misinterpreted that might encourage untrained persons to work on gas systems.
From my own personal experience, I have had to investigate and write reports on gas related incidents. I have seen some horrendously unsafe installations carried out by people who thought they knew what they were doing, but based on the evidence did not. Some of the cases involved serious injuries but thankfully no fatalities. Though I am not actively involved in this work now I still believe we must advocate sound advice on this forum.
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