Government

[colin(bridgend)]

What on earth is this present apology of a government doing for the well being of this country. I read in the Daily Mail today(30/12/05) that the Minister for Sport (Richard Caborn) is writing to three premiership football clubs why they postponed their matches during the recent bad weather. Surely to God when the police and Highways people advise people not to travel unless their journey is absolutely essential you have a person (adjectives fail me) in authority raising this point.

Surely there are far more important topics to be considered by this government such as health, police, education, etc. than 22 men kicking a bag of wind around a field for 90 minutes. Mind you when the boss is away on (all expences paid) holiday what can you expect from the underdogs? Idiots like these have taken the Great out of Great Britain.

The sooner we see the back of these idiots out of Westminster the better for, not only for Britain, but the world in general

 

[JeffinSpain]

Long live the revolution, Comrade.

Come back Guy Fawkes, all is forgiven.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Hmmmmmm I thought Guy Fawkes was all about catholicism and restoring a Pope kissing monarch to the throne.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Hmmmmmm I thought Guy Fawkes was all about catholicism and restoring a Pope kissing monarch to the throne.

....... and dont you dare mention Wat Tyler and the Peasants Revolt :OP the laws favour you serfs as it is.

 

[JeffinSpain]

Hmmmmmm I thought Guy Fawkes was all about catholicism and restoring a Pope kissing monarch to the throne.

Sorry my Lord, please take my young pretty daughter, to do with as you wish, and consider my forlock well and truly touched, if i could afford a cap, i would be wringing it as we speak.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

And now to make matters worse they have bestowed a knighthood on a tax exile. What on earth has Tom Jones done for the good of this country except set up home in America. He only did this to avoid paying tax in this country. Also why the England cricket team, Welsh rugby manager, etc.

What about those people who deserve recognition be it in the armed forces, police, health, education, etc. The people on the front line after the July London bombings fro example. This country has gone crazy. In my opinion it would be more embarresing to receive a gong at the moment when you look at some of the recipients.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Hmmmmmm I thought Guy Fawkes was all about catholicism and restoring a Pope kissing monarch to the throne.

Lord B. you are not having my daughter so please do not get any ideas. As far as taking my cap off to you or touching my forlock I will give you recognition as taught to me by my parents to either a lady or gentleman. I will give the respect as deserved. Good luck to you and a Happy New Year to you and your family and all others who should be crazy enough to read this nonsense.

 

[Tony A.]

I agree with you Colin get them out then me and a few 100,000 others can get back to our hunting, before the countryside is ruined. TONY A.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

I agree with you Colin get them out then me and a few 100,000 others can get back to our hunting, before the countryside is ruined. TONY A.

Hi Tony - thank goodness you did not sign yourself TonyB otherwise I would have been for the chop in the Tower. Happy New Year to you and your family.

 

[BrianStAlbans]

Tony A ,it must be hard to replace such a 'hobby' as hunting,the dressing up,the thrill of the chase,the sight of an exhausted animal torn to pieces by a pack of dogs,the blooding of new hunters and the thought that by your actions you are somehow protecting the countryside for the future.My heart bleeds for you...Well done Tony B for once a good decision.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Having read TonyA's post I was too saddened to reply because it just sums up the hunting fraternity of this country. Then again after living in a village for most of my life but now living in a town as a "townie" I shouldnt be allowed thoughts on the matter. Again as a "townie" I wouldn't know what Im talking about anyway. The only thing that I can add to Brian's excellent response is the hunting clans attitude. Sod the other 57 million people of this country as long as the few can ride rough shod over everyone including private land it really doesn't matter. Wouldn't it be nice if the millions they spend on hunting was put to a better use like conservation instead of destruction. Yes Brian, it was a good decision to ban hunting but unfortunately it didn't go far enough. Hunting is another case of the minority lording it over the majority. Brian your post as ever is another example of your excellent common sense.

 

[Viking1]

I too do not like football or other sports but I cannot see y people shod be stop doing them.

Football most be the wrest of them all with all the trouble that go with it.

So I a grey with Colin (bridgend)

Mark

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Mark I also agree with Colins remark about the Minister writing to the football clubs if it is true but as Colin said, he read it in the Daily Mirror, the tabloid of all knowing truth. I never totally believe what I read in the press because they print the spoken word as they want "you" to interpret it. They only need to leave one sentence out and it gives a whole new meaning on what was actually said or done even more so if that paper is politically biased. I still fail to see the connection though of football and hunting except both have their fair share of hooligans.

 

[Tony A.]

brian (st albans)and milord Braykewynde,

gentlemen I used to follow lakeland hunts, now as you experts should know, you can`t ride a horse over lakeland fells,you have to follow on foot, your replies show your biase against people who ride out, and on which the hunting ban was based.,

I have seen many foxes killed, and then broken up by the pack, I liken this to a butcher killing his cow then the rest of the population eating it, I have also seen them killed by one hound and left where they lay.I have seen foxes that have been shot and hidden themselves away to die a slow death and likewise with RTA`s. these suffering animals are found by hounds and despatched quickly.

there is no better way to conrol the fox population than by hunting with dogs, Shooting often wounds, pioson kills every thing,traps by their nature are cruel.

As for somehow protecting the countryside,the countryside is as it is because of the people who live and work in it.I`m convinced that the fox will suffer because of the hunting ban, the population will rise untill there is a shortage of food and then starvation, unless they turn to more predation, in which case gun, trap and pioson will be used without control. then other scavengers that clean up the ground will die, untill as I said the country side is in ruins.I could go on but feel I would be wasting my time, when the anties (these are the same people that released mink into the wild)have won, and hunting , shooting and fishing are all banned,all with the help of misguided support,who then will pay to keep non profit making broadleaf woodland or pheasant shoots as they are now, to keep the rivers free and flowing and clean. when all this has gone, bring your caravans into the country side and enjoy the silence, because you will be alone as a species.

 

[LMH]

Tony A

I used to ocassionally hunt with the Quorn and South Notts, had a really game horse at the time. Now I'm just a follower (I did participate in the events in London), I was outside parliament when the police bashed up old ladies and old gents (if I hadn't had seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it).

It seems it's ok for 'anti's' to air their views but not us 'pro's'. I don't want to fall out with anyone on this subject as I have had my fair share of that lately but we are all entitled to our opinions and hunting will always be an emotive subject.

p.s. and this is true - I was driving through Notts early one morning at 4.30am and found a fox in the road which had been hit by a lorry. It was unconcious, I made a muzzle out of two pairs of long socks, muzzled it, wrapped it in my jacket and placed it in the boot of the car. Phoned the animal accident rescue unit and waited one and a half hours for them to arrive. They took the fox to a shelter and rang me a week later to say it had recovered and been set free near the area I had found it.

So I'm not a total barbarian.

Lisa.

 

[Clubman1]

Having read TonyA's post I was too saddened to reply because it just sums up the hunting fraternity of this country. Then again after living in a village for most of my life but now living in a town as a "townie" I shouldnt be allowed thoughts on the matter. Again as a "townie" I wouldn't know what Im talking about anyway. The only thing that I can add to Brian's excellent response is the hunting clans attitude. Sod the other 57 million people of this country as long as the few can ride rough shod over everyone including private land it really doesn't matter. Wouldn't it be nice if the millions they spend on hunting was put to a better use like conservation instead of destruction. Yes Brian, it was a good decision to ban hunting but unfortunately it didn't go far enough. Hunting is another case of the minority lording it over the majority. Brian your post as ever is another example of your excellent common sense.

"I wouldn't know what I am talking about anyway" - you got that one right m'lud!

A Cumbrian lad.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

"I wouldn't know what I am talking about anyway" - you got that one right m'lud!

A Cumbrian lad.

Thats fine coming from a wurzel, is that your best shot ;O)

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

TonyA, its a nice try but that old chestnut of releasing mink is old hat. I put the members of A.L.F. into the same catergory as hunters, simply misguided people. When you say you are stopping the countryside from being ruined it just shows how little regard you have for those who disagree with you and your ilk and how you hope people will believe and swallow all those lies. Just take Clubmans snidey comment, not an ounce of intelligence to it, but then again should I expect any?

 

[Richard_5040072]

Gentlemen

Whatever your views on hunting, this is not the best place to air them I wouldn't have thought. However there is one thing that i'm sure all caravanners agree on and that is our love of the countryside.

Copy & paste this rather long link into your browser and read a very good piece written by Labour MP Kate Hoey.

I think that we who visit and use our beautiful countryside for relaxation and play, should give her every support and think hard about what she has to say.

http://www.countryside-alliance.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2342&Itemid=604
Clarky.

 

[BrianStAlbans]

Tony A,Im by no means an expert but it was nice of you to come to that asumption from my short post,but feel I must appologise for not spotting the Lakeland bit which was nowhere in you original post.I can see from your very long reply that nothing anyone says will change your views,not even the law, so I will not waste my time.

To liken the hunting of foxes to a butcher killing a cow does seem strange to me, although I do not eat meat I have no problems with the way animals are butchered for food.However if the cows were first chased by a pack of dogs to exhaustion and then ripped to pieces,its blood use to somehow bond the next generation of butchers and then passed off as the only way to save the countryside for those of us that only visit ,I think butchers would find themselves banned as well.

Lastly I struggle to see how I can be called an anti for supporting something that is the law....enjoy your spare time....

Brian (st albans)...

(somewhere in the Hertfordshire countryside.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Lord B I must correct you in so much as I would not buu sucha rag as the Daily Mirror. I read the article on the back page of the Daily Mail. The Mirror, Sun, Star and Sport are for people who cannot read - they simply look at the pictures or wrap their fish and chips up in them if they can afford to eat out.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Lord B I must correct you in so much as I would not buu sucha rag as the Daily Mirror. I read the article on the back page of the Daily Mail. The Mirror, Sun, Star and Sport are for people who cannot read - they simply look at the pictures or wrap their fish and chips up in them if they can afford to eat out.

the first line should have read ..... not buy such a rag - please accept my apologies for the typing error - finger again ruling the brain.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

The original topic was an adverse comment regarding the present Government we have in this country at the moment. It would appear to have lost its thread a bit going down the fox hunting route by both the pro and anti brigade.

To get back to the original posting I don't know whether any of you saw the ITN news this evening at 6:00pm but our beloved leader has now made a promotional film about a day in the life of a Prime Minister. What a total waste of time and money, and more to the point a total load of c**p. He is again acting like a play thing from America whereby the President had previously made a similar film. As we Welsh would say "CHWARAE PLANT BACH".

 

[Viking1]

Mark I also agree with Colins remark about the Minister writing to the football clubs if it is true but as Colin said, he read it in the Daily Mirror, the tabloid of all knowing truth. I never totally believe what I read in the press because they print the spoken word as they want "you" to interpret it. They only need to leave one sentence out and it gives a whole new meaning on what was actually said or done even more so if that paper is politically biased. I still fail to see the connection though of football and hunting except both have their fair share of hooligans.

Lord Braykewynde

I think the same as you with the papers. I all so do not live how they think they can do ethnic just to get a pic or a story on so one.

Mark

 

[CliveV]

Whatever your views on hunting - nobody can deny that the Boxing Day hunts were a slap in the face for those who wanted hunting banned. Because it is still happening - with the support of the majority of those who love in the countryside. OK - there is a need for a bird of prey to attend or for a guy to lay the initial trail but after that it is the same as before.

The hunting ban is a nonsence of badly written politically correct perversity and will quietly fade away over time because the Police has no interest whatsoever in taking it seriously. The only way they would get involved would be if a rider managed to do more than 30mph in a 30 limit. If that happened some money could be raised and the pointy heads that now make the rules would allocate resourses.

The New Forest Hunts went ahead - we saw the one on Cranborne Chase whilst out with our dogs. Not a Policeman in sight. But then we only have one Policeman on duty for the whole of the Forest on a normal weekend.

The only way you see real action from politicians is when you live in a marginal seat. If you do and you have extreme views you can promise your vote to whoever will support you and at election time you can call these promises in.

If you live in a seat that is solid for any party then your views (and your individual vote) are not worth as much as someone who lives in a marginal seat.

The worst recent case of this was a Conservative Lady MP who was selling off Council Flats in her London constituencey to people more likely to vote her way. Thankfully this was obvious gerrymandering and she was taken to task.

But it happens in all marginal seats. Various Governments of the day change the constituency boundaties to suit their requirements.

Best thing we can do is ignore them and their silly rules - especially one dreamt up whilst watching a Disney film by "burbs".

What I do find worrying tho' is the resulting lack of respect for the law in general that will result from such bad laws being placed on the statute book.