Hello Nick,
The methods used by the police/authorities to catch criminals must advance to match the ingenuity of the felons who perpetrate criminal actions.
The freedoms we have to use fast cars, access explosives (fireworks), alcohol, etc have been abused by a significant number of people to the extent that their anti-social and criminal actions endanger or deprive others.
The UK has a relatively high density of populations per unit area, and that means like it or not most of us have to interact with other people who live here. Given that fact it genuinely helps to accepted norms of behaviour to minimise potential conflicts between the members of the population. It may be judged that our quality of life is not as good as in other countries, but one mans meat can be another's poison.
How do you resolve a conflict? Well it's far better to avoid it in the first place, but when one does happen, having an intervention scheme with clear working boundaries is very useful and effective. Our police forces are often saddled with this task, and in line with avoidance argument, they have to be proactive in curbing the irresponsible actions of others.
On of the inevitable outcomes of a conflict is that if the circumstances are reviewed often new regulations come into force to prevent the same circumstances resulting in a further occurrence. Here in the UK we are perhaps too ready to over react, but that is the fault of the population who put the politicians in to power.
I do agree that we are fenced in many ways, we can't construct or change a house without permissions, and other similar issues, but these matters have to be taken into account along with other factors, and the EU seems intent of eradicating parochial traditions. But if we wish to take advantage of the benefits of living in society we have to accept there will be some rules and boundaries to the individual actions we can take - we have to be considerate to others.
I do not condemn you for wishing to leave the UK , you believe you have found a freedom by living in France, but I think you will find that you are trading one set of rules for another - they may be better, who knows, and for how long?
The methods used by the police/authorities to catch criminals must advance to match the ingenuity of the felons who perpetrate criminal actions.
The freedoms we have to use fast cars, access explosives (fireworks), alcohol, etc have been abused by a significant number of people to the extent that their anti-social and criminal actions endanger or deprive others.
The UK has a relatively high density of populations per unit area, and that means like it or not most of us have to interact with other people who live here. Given that fact it genuinely helps to accepted norms of behaviour to minimise potential conflicts between the members of the population. It may be judged that our quality of life is not as good as in other countries, but one mans meat can be another's poison.
How do you resolve a conflict? Well it's far better to avoid it in the first place, but when one does happen, having an intervention scheme with clear working boundaries is very useful and effective. Our police forces are often saddled with this task, and in line with avoidance argument, they have to be proactive in curbing the irresponsible actions of others.
On of the inevitable outcomes of a conflict is that if the circumstances are reviewed often new regulations come into force to prevent the same circumstances resulting in a further occurrence. Here in the UK we are perhaps too ready to over react, but that is the fault of the population who put the politicians in to power.
I do agree that we are fenced in many ways, we can't construct or change a house without permissions, and other similar issues, but these matters have to be taken into account along with other factors, and the EU seems intent of eradicating parochial traditions. But if we wish to take advantage of the benefits of living in society we have to accept there will be some rules and boundaries to the individual actions we can take - we have to be considerate to others.
I do not condemn you for wishing to leave the UK , you believe you have found a freedom by living in France, but I think you will find that you are trading one set of rules for another - they may be better, who knows, and for how long?
Contrary to what Nick said surveillance can't be OTT in this country considering we are supposed to be the weakest country in the west for dealing with terrorism.
The Americans say we are a breeding ground for terrorism which is given even more credence today by the Nigerian overpowered on an airliner when trying to blow it up. This Nigerian just happens to be a student at the London University. We don't only breed our own terrorists, we import them.
The sooner the minority civil liberties lot crawl back into their holes and there's a national DNA database of every person who lives in this country the better.
The Americans say we are a breeding ground for terrorism which is given even more credence today by the Nigerian overpowered on an airliner when trying to blow it up. This Nigerian just happens to be a student at the London University. We don't only breed our own terrorists, we import them.
The sooner the minority civil liberties lot crawl back into their holes and there's a national DNA database of every person who lives in this country the better.
The sooner the minority civil liberties lot crawl back into their holes and there's a national DNA database of every person who lives in this country the better.
Could you tell us please exactly a DNA data base would have stopped the latest attempt on a civillian airliner. The person concerned was apparently already known tdo the american authorities, buit it did not prevent him from getting onboard and neither would a DNA database.
Steve W
a member of the civil iberties minority.
Could you tell us please exactly a DNA data base would have stopped the latest attempt on a civillian airliner. The person concerned was apparently already known tdo the american authorities, buit it did not prevent him from getting onboard and neither would a DNA database.
Steve W
a member of the civil iberties minority.
A DNA data base, would confirm who you are, not who you say you are.
Pray tell, how can my DNA be misused?
Of what use is it, other than a identifier?
If it wasn't for this gutless government, listening to the minorities, then we would all be on our way to holding ID CARDS.
Pray tell, how can my DNA be misused?
Of what use is it, other than a identifier?
If it wasn't for this gutless government, listening to the minorities, then we would all be on our way to holding ID CARDS.
Hi,
Completly OT ..... sorry ..... I recently read a detective story, where the killer used the contents of a discarded condom to leave a misleading DNA sample on his victim. OK, fiction, but still worrying.
One problem with DNA is the time it takes to get an analysis. Whats the cost?
602
Completly OT ..... sorry ..... I recently read a detective story, where the killer used the contents of a discarded condom to leave a misleading DNA sample on his victim. OK, fiction, but still worrying.
One problem with DNA is the time it takes to get an analysis. Whats the cost?
602
A DNA data base, would confirm who you are, not who you say you are.
Trouble is it takes 5 days for sample Analysis, where are you going to keep a jumbo jet load of people in security while this is done . Don't you think it is a bit impracticle considering the number of lights every day all over the world. Any form od documentation is liable to be forged, so ID cards don't work either as any organisation that uses them will verify. It is not at all unusual to find doctors, policemen even members of the security services that have been screened and several months later found to be bogus.
Steve W
Trouble is it takes 5 days for sample Analysis, where are you going to keep a jumbo jet load of people in security while this is done . Don't you think it is a bit impracticle considering the number of lights every day all over the world. Any form od documentation is liable to be forged, so ID cards don't work either as any organisation that uses them will verify. It is not at all unusual to find doctors, policemen even members of the security services that have been screened and several months later found to be bogus.
Steve W
Nowhere did I say it would have stopped that person Steve W but at least it would help trace, apprehend, send to trial and execute the correct person without hanging some poor innocent, and yes, I said execute. Use the money that it costs to keep these scum in jail to a better use like heating for the poor or better housing.
To be honest I get thoroughly peed off by the apologist human rights, civil liberty fraternity who will make any excuse for a scrote when they commit murder, rape etc. saying they had a poor upbringing blahedy blah. These misguided people believe that by sitting down with a terrorist,rapist, murderer etc., talking to him and psychoanalysing him they can put him on the straight and narrow. As I said, misguided although their heart is probably in the right place. Probably misguided into believing they will achieve sainthood ... heh! heh! heh!
To be honest I get thoroughly peed off by the apologist human rights, civil liberty fraternity who will make any excuse for a scrote when they commit murder, rape etc. saying they had a poor upbringing blahedy blah. These misguided people believe that by sitting down with a terrorist,rapist, murderer etc., talking to him and psychoanalysing him they can put him on the straight and narrow. As I said, misguided although their heart is probably in the right place. Probably misguided into believing they will achieve sainthood ... heh! heh! heh!
It would seem that you want me to change a barbarin with a prayer mat, for one with a title.
Thank god your way will never be acceptable to the civilised world.
Steve W
Thank god your way will never be acceptable to the civilised world.
Steve W
Parksy
Moderator
The original post was about a forum users wife being stopped for a random breath test, a good discussion took place but we are now sailing towards the rocks as far as this forum is concerned so it's best to address the wider issues surrounding social and civil liberties to more appropriate forums.
I must be getting old, for the first time ever I agree with something in the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/henryporter/2009/dec/31/2009-civil-liberties
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/henryporter/2009/dec/31/2009-civil-liberties
I agree Nick, and last week cameras were confiscated from on lookers when the Queen went to church at Sandringham, no wonder I've turned in to a grumpy old man.
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