I'd love a 4x4, but which one

[Pete4]

As far as I know I have never used bad language, never caused any abuse or made any false accusations to anyone living or dead.

OK, the urban 4x4 has no point or reason to being on the roads. The voyager is used to carry a larger amount of passengers than saloons cars. They both have the same risk to other road users but one is purley status.

Now I've answered your question at your request, can we stop it here?

 

[CliveV]

Of course - you have your view I have mine. They differ - what is the problem.

If someone has a BMW, Jag, Merc, Lexus etc - it could be for status. Or they just might enjoy that type of car.

Status or enjoyment of ones cars is important to some.

It is a valid reason why cars are sold. With speed limit of 70mph why have a car that can do over 100mph - pure status only?

I don't think so. Freedom of choice - long may it continue

 

[DEBBIE_5082296]

at least with a discovery 3 on diesel you can cut a few emmisions, but i fear with my 45,000 miles per year i've more chance of Knocking down a tree than polluting it.

You can tax me as high as you wish, but you won't put me off using the best car in the 4 x 4 range from landrover.

who wants to hug a tree,it may be you who needs a brain

so as you say, get a life, and get a discovery 3 and enjoy the towing experience, i make lorries wobble as i pass them.

Here here! I drive a shogun LWB 3.2 turbo diesel, u cant tow a 23 ft caravan with anythin else but a 4x4.

i prefer to hug my 3 kids! trees are sticky and dogs usually pee up them.

 

[joeby]

Sloppy performer you sound like a nervouse wreck with all these doubts in your mind ,i wonder if you should be driving at all,most car accidents are caused by the driver ,not a well maintaned car ,you only have to look at the idiots on the roads

 

[ProfJohnL]

Hello Joby,

It has been noted that you are relatively new to this forum, and that you have added comments to threads that had been dormant for some months, That is fine and you are of course welcome to do so, but may I make one observation that you might wish to consder.

In your posting of 3 Dec 2005 10:32 PM in this thread, your comment seems to have been composed as an answer to one of the postings, but it is not clear in my mind which one. Could you be a little more specific by adding a name or a posting time such as I have done?

Incidentally I fully agree with the centiment of your posting.

 

[Janey1]

John,

I think that Joby was replying to the original post by Sloppy Performer on 5 Sep 2005 10:06 PM as this was the only post he made and also Joby started his thread "Sloppy Performer, ...."

 

[Eddie1FromNottingham]

Janet,

is this another lame attempt at re-kindling the 4x4 debate? All the Information you require is already available either on another web site or on previous postings. You appear to have already aquired some dubious data.

Eddie

 

[giovanni_5060838]

clive v. so what is wrong with the fiat panda 4x4?

why is it not ok?

if its just a caravan issue,then there are micro type caravans

out there.if its a 4x4 thing,then there are many places a panda

4x4 would be able to go where a larger 4x4 couldn't go.

 

[CliveV]

Now I know what Dr Who feels like the morning after.

Whatever you are drinking Gio - I think a little more water would be a good idea.

 

[CliveV]

clive v. so what is wrong with the fiat panda 4x4?

why is it not ok?

if its just a caravan issue,then there are micro type caravans

out there.if its a 4x4 thing,then there are many places a panda

4x4 would be able to go where a larger 4x4 couldn't go.

Gio if you are going to trawl thro postings at least do it properly - my comment on the great little Panda 4x4 is as follows - you obviously missed it:-

Italaman

3 Oct 2005 12:46 PM If anyone wants to hit 4x4 vehicles, then can I suggest that they try to validate the theory with.........

A Fiat Panda Sisley (4X4)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surely, with the moniker 4X4 emblazoned onto the tailgate, this vehicle must fall into the category - heinous killer!!!!!!!

CliveV

3 Oct 2005 03:01 PM Yes - if the "Anti's" had their way this clever little car would be banned! - I drove one once - surprizingly capable.

But a whacking great Chrysler Voyager is OK!!!!!!

LOL !!!!

Oh deary deary me

Yawn yawn yawn

 

[Lol1]

Now I know what Dr Who feels like the morning after.

Whatever you are drinking Gio - I think a little more water would be a good idea.

I'm starting to see another side to you Clive, the side that has a very droll dry wit, I like it! ;o)

 

[sparkes]

clive v. so what is wrong with the fiat panda 4x4?

why is it not ok?

if its just a caravan issue,then there are micro type caravans

out there.if its a 4x4 thing,then there are many places a panda

4x4 would be able to go where a larger 4x4 couldn't go.

but but but

You can't fit 265 DFG's to it, and a winch would double its weight!

Oh, and I would never fit!

 

[CliveV]

clive v. so what is wrong with the fiat panda 4x4?

why is it not ok?

if its just a caravan issue,then there are micro type caravans

out there.if its a 4x4 thing,then there are many places a panda

4x4 would be able to go where a larger 4x4 couldn't go.

Hi Steve

I was genuinly impressed by the thing when I drove one! Was a bit of a squeeze but if ever I needed a "town car" I woulod have one JUST to annoy the Saloonatics.

What a fabulous description that word is!!

 

[sparkes]

Hi Steve

I was genuinly impressed by the thing when I drove one! Was a bit of a squeeze but if ever I needed a "town car" I woulod have one JUST to annoy the Saloonatics.

What a fabulous description that word is!!

LOL

I tried to drive one once, Was very tight but the little beast went everywhere I pointed it, even made it up the dropped kerb to park on the guys drive

 

[cris_408518]

Had a 3.2 new auto Shogun earlier this year,it was an awesome tow car. I fancy the new discovery, but have never come across anyone who has a reliable Disco. A neighbour with the most pampered Disco's you could ever come across that were serviced to the mile had three over 7 years with a list of faults and breakdowns that would have filled the pages of all three service books. I will wait a while before risking the new Disco.

 

[waffler]

You need a serious answer. Things to consider are:

cost, size inside, how effective in CL/CS mud, quirks, like spare wheels on back doors.

Go for a deisel with a new design. Have permanent four wheel drive with limited slip differentials. Check out servicing costs.

I drive a Hyundai Santa Fe 2 litre turbo deisel. We tow a Bailey Senator Indiana, (max wt 1500 kg) do 38 solo 29 towing. Good new price but high depreciation so try to buy a used one. Don't buy the petrol versions unless you are happy to buy plenty of fuel. If you buy more than a year old check the clutch, go backwards up a hill and if any judder insist on a new fly wheel and clutch.

 

[DEANO3528]

There used to be a guy at Devils Pit could throw a little old Panda 4x4 into most of what the big toys did. Very able indeed. Thing you mustn't forget is that it's horses for courses. A zook sj is a fantastic off'er as it's so light, but you try recovering anything else or towing anything approaching it's own limitations and it's sadly lacking.

New Disco deserves to be a winner as it has some seriously groundbreaking kit on board. That little tv monitor showing the traction/suspension system is fantastic and I also rate the engine as it's a well proven lump. Discovery has faults and it's annoying that they keep recurring with annoying regularity on all new LR products but if I had the money I would have a 2.7 V6 just for the purposeful growl. What I don't understand about LR is that after all these years of small underpowered engines they still refuse to follow the lead of Toyota who actually fit a decent sized diesel engine into their 4wd's. Either the 4.2 derv lump or the silky 4.7 V8 will propel the battleship sized vehicles at a decent rate of knots, and while the Rover V8 was pushed out to 4.6 it was not particularly reliable. So come on LR forget these daft little engines and fit what the customers want....

...Talking of which, a nice 6.5 GMC V8 diesel would be a nice option!

 

[rob_jax]

Deano - a GMC V8 diesel would be a nice option - not in Europe you wouldn't.

Diesel fuel in the USA still has a very high sulfur level, and the engine manufacturer relies on the sulfur to lubricate the high pressure fuel pump, etc. Running that GMC engine on European ultra low sulfur diesel will result in a very short life for the fuel system.

Modern European and Japanese diesel engines have pump internals designed to run with a much lower lubricity fuel. So my choice would go to the VW V10 engine.

Robert

 

[giovanni_5060838]

Deano - a GMC V8 diesel would be a nice option - not in Europe you wouldn't.

Diesel fuel in the USA still has a very high sulfur level, and the engine manufacturer relies on the sulfur to lubricate the high pressure fuel pump, etc. Running that GMC engine on European ultra low sulfur diesel will result in a very short life for the fuel system.

Modern European and Japanese diesel engines have pump internals designed to run with a much lower lubricity fuel. So my choice would go to the VW V10 engine.

Robert

right clive v.

so you didn't mean it when you said

" youve got to admit, fiat panda 4x4 not ok.

did i read that wrong,or get the wrong end of the stick?

 

[DEANO3528]

Typical isn't it!

Build a decent sized engine and then can't supply the proper fuel for it outside it's home country!!!

Can't see why they did away with 5 star, the V8's ran much better on it.

 

[giovanni_5060838]

Now I know what Dr Who feels like the morning after.

Whatever you are drinking Gio - I think a little more water would be a good idea.

clive v,you bewilder me! such wit,what is it with you,

can you not answer a straight forward question?

is it too straight forward for you?

i asked a civil question,if you do not want to respond...fine

i will just remember that you are. infra dignitatem.....

 

[CliveV]

giovanni

Morning Gio

I am not trying to be difficult here but you do seem to delight in posting responces on odd places and quoting out of context. Your reply to me via Rob_Jax is hardly easy to spot - BUT I DID IT!!!

In that you quote a single line out of context - the whole point of my earlier posting was to indicate that the Panda 4x4 is a VERY good vehicle! Whe are you reading it diferently to anyone else?

Bizarre!

As for your actual reply:-

7 Dec 2005 08:42 AM

clive v,you bewilder me! such wit,what is it with you,

can you not answer a straight forward question?

is it too straight forward for you?

i asked a civil question,if you do not want to respond...fine

i will just remember that you are. infra dignitatem.....

I did reply 5th Dec 3:55pm - in what I consider to be the right place.

Finally - do we really have to have those that do not like 4x4's to constantly try to find fault with what those of us who like 4x4's say?

You really must have excess time on your hands Gio if you feel the need to trawl thro the postings as you have done. But if you feel the need - you carry on my friend - just do not quote out of context - the results will "bite you" as the original wording and actual meaning is available for all toi see.

Best Wishes

 

[CliveV]

Hi Deano - Do you really want me to start all over again on LPG???

Great fuel alternative to petrol. I drove a 6.2L GMC powered 200 series Discovery and it was excellent re power etc. but the drivetrain was shot. Also the noise was bad - not a Cesna type howl as I expected but a raucous clatter that put me off.

However, it is more than possible that like the rest of the vehicle the engine was cream crackerred.

Also - just got some great info from the LRO forum - excellent!

I found the the search facility that enabled me to get the answers I needed without having the ask the question myself very good.

 

[DEANO3528]

LPG is for some strange reason, attracting the attention of the anti's as not such a clean fuel as first thought. Obviously they are worried that we might be able to run our beloved larger engined vehicles cheaper and with less emissions which must really catch in their craw. More disinformation as usual, as my mate's LPG Rangey comes out at almost zero emissions even with the cats removed! It doesn't get much cleaner than that!!

All the Landy forums have much useful info, the two I frequent the most being www.lr4x4.com and www.landroveraddict.com being a Mod on them.

GMC engines are a tad noisy and are definitely drivetrain destroyers even driven gently. They are not particularly reliable within their home country either apparently. A mate lives in Canada reckons that they are always breaking down over there. Have a look at this motor belonging to a club member:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cattermole/photo2301.htm
It's got a Jimmy in it, lifting centre axle and steering rear axle and manages to get it around a fair bit of our offroad site..

 

[CliveV]

Hi Deano thanks for that - The query concerned the cruise control on a Discovery ES I have just bought - seems that the pipes are prone to splitting!

Sadly the old Range Rover now has to go - really good nick having been "cherrished" for past ten years - LPG converted so cheap to run and very reliable.

Looking for about 1K so if you know anyone!