Does anyone know if Bailey can produce a Pegasus from start to finish quicker than a std bailey van?
Is the Bailey Pegasus Quicker to build
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Hello Mikey
I don't know the definitive answer, and I suspect Bailey will consider that type of information to be commercially sensitive so don't hold your breath.
However having looked at the construction, I guess that the construction and preparation of the new aluminium panels may take longer at the sub assembly stage, but be much faster to assemble on the production line. So it will be swings and round-a-bouts.
On balance though I sure bailey will have been looking for overall savings or a significantly lower life cost for the product. e.g. lower warranty costs.
I sincerely hope that Bailey have come up with better construction method. Where the Pegasus leads I am fairly confident that other models will adopt the same construction when they come up for renewal.
Other manufacturers will try to produce their own solutions, or may be Bailey will licence the process to other manufacturers.
I don't know the definitive answer, and I suspect Bailey will consider that type of information to be commercially sensitive so don't hold your breath.
However having looked at the construction, I guess that the construction and preparation of the new aluminium panels may take longer at the sub assembly stage, but be much faster to assemble on the production line. So it will be swings and round-a-bouts.
On balance though I sure bailey will have been looking for overall savings or a significantly lower life cost for the product. e.g. lower warranty costs.
I sincerely hope that Bailey have come up with better construction method. Where the Pegasus leads I am fairly confident that other models will adopt the same construction when they come up for renewal.
Other manufacturers will try to produce their own solutions, or may be Bailey will licence the process to other manufacturers.
Hi John,
Other manufacturers will try to produce their own solutions, or may be Bailey will licence the process to other manufacturers.
Is the Bailey construction process not the same as the Hymer group's, that they have been using for a number of years?
Regards
Nidge
Other manufacturers will try to produce their own solutions, or may be Bailey will licence the process to other manufacturers.
Is the Bailey construction process not the same as the Hymer group's, that they have been using for a number of years?
Regards
Nidge
Hello
The time taken to produce an Alu-Tech Construction caravan (Pegasus) is not a great deal different from that to manufacturer a Classic Construction caravan (Ranger, Pageant & Senator).
The assembly process is less complicated and the absence of front and rear plastic cloaking panels reduces the number of production stages. However as all the bodyshell panels are now laminated the production of these sub-assemblies is more involved and more time consuming. Therefore overall production times for producing a caravan from start to finish using either method is approximately the same.
One point about the Alu-Tech Construction System is that the use of bolts to assemble the caravan gives us greater consistency of manufacture as we can specify a specific torque setting for the process rather than relying on the human eye and judgement when using screw fittings.
We have invited two leading technical journalists to watch the early batches of Pegasus models being made after the NEC Show, so hopefully there will be something published on the subject in due course.
Regards
Kelly
The time taken to produce an Alu-Tech Construction caravan (Pegasus) is not a great deal different from that to manufacturer a Classic Construction caravan (Ranger, Pageant & Senator).
The assembly process is less complicated and the absence of front and rear plastic cloaking panels reduces the number of production stages. However as all the bodyshell panels are now laminated the production of these sub-assemblies is more involved and more time consuming. Therefore overall production times for producing a caravan from start to finish using either method is approximately the same.
One point about the Alu-Tech Construction System is that the use of bolts to assemble the caravan gives us greater consistency of manufacture as we can specify a specific torque setting for the process rather than relying on the human eye and judgement when using screw fittings.
We have invited two leading technical journalists to watch the early batches of Pegasus models being made after the NEC Show, so hopefully there will be something published on the subject in due course.
Regards
Kelly
Hello Nidge,
I don't know if the construction is similar to Hymer or not.
But I suspect that there are relatively few patentable aspects to the bailey process, as similar technologies are used elsewhere, and with patents its finding a unique aspect and future development that has no prior art.
The extruded section,the wall and roof panels will be copyrightable, but the corner clamping has been used for years on table leg brackets and I am sure else where. - may even be on Hymers.
From what I've heard now the construction process of Bailey and Hymer differ a lot. Hymer uses (for their 'normal' vans like Nova) foam that is injected between 2 outer skins and then left drying. The (front, side and roof) panels are then glued together. Result: no wood, foam is water resistant and less water ingress problems.
I don't know if the construction of the panels of Bailey is the same as Hymer's; but Hymer def doesn't use the bolts of Bailey.
From what I've heard now the construction process of Bailey and Hymer differ a lot. Hymer uses (for their 'normal' vans like Nova) foam that is injected between 2 outer skins and then left drying. The (front, side and roof) panels are then glued together. Result: no wood, foam is water resistant and less water ingress problems.
I don't know if the construction of the panels of Bailey is the same as Hymer's; but Hymer def doesn't use the bolts of Bailey.
I don't know if the construction of the panels of Bailey is the same as Hymer's; but Hymer def doesn't use the bolts of Bailey.
As the body needs to be re-torqued every so many years, I can't see it catching on with other manufacturers. Imagine you have a caravan on a seasonal site which does not require servicing every year. I would be a bit annoyed if my caravan fell apart. the other thing to rememeber if you buy one second hand, how do you knwo the bolts have been re-torqued at every service especially after the warranty period? Not a good second hand prospect but maybe this is what Bailey want.
I presume the bolt tightening can be noted in the service book, just like you'd do with a car.
I think the Pegasus will be an excellent second-hand prospect - as long as they remain damp free at 6, 8, 10, 12 years old.
I think the Pegasus will be an excellent second-hand prospect - as long as they remain damp free at 6, 8, 10, 12 years old.
The Pegasus looks like it is revolutionary. It may suffer a few teething troubles at first,but it should be a remarable caravan.
The construction methods are proven and should withstand the test of time.
I dislike the black cover on the locker though, it makes the caravan look like a 1960's passenger train! Really dated.
The construction methods are proven and should withstand the test of time.
I dislike the black cover on the locker though, it makes the caravan look like a 1960's passenger train! Really dated.
Mike I am so glad you made the remark about teething problems, it should sound alarm bells into anyone wanting to purchase before any problems have been ironed out, Bailey are fond of changing specification after a few weeks and then are not prepared to cover any necessary update that may be needed to people who have purchased early. Buyer beware.
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