Locked out

[otherclive]

Fire pal looks an interesting concept. Bit like a Fireball that my son bought. It sits in a holder and is ready to instantly lift out and you throw it into the fire. In three seconds it’s supposed to activate. Great if the fire is low down not so great if the balls residence time doesn’t activate it or the fire isn’t low down

I’m a bit more conservative. Three 2 kg dry powder. One in kitchen. One on landing and one in hall. But several smoke detectors more than normally recommended.

 

[Christhecaravanner84]

Is it a design fault or feature of these locks which won't operate with a key in the other side? It seems utterly moronic to me. I fail to see what security benefit this might have.

 

[Jcloughie]

You and me both. I see that there is a later barrel on the market which has a thumb turn on the inside. Makes more sense IMHO



John

 

[Lutz]

Here's a videoclip of the door cylinder that I was referring to:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51VPbHHwzTg

 

[Jcloughie]

Here's a videoclip of the door cylinder that I was referring to:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51VPbHHwzTg

Would you agree that the cylinder I showed a picture of in # 28 achieves the same ends?

John

 

[Beachball]

How many of us have fire extinguishers in the home.
I have one in the kitchen, a 100gm, Firepal, Two Dry Powder, in the garage front and back one, 1kg CO2 in each bedroom, and a 2 kg dry powder by the front door. 2 in the car and one inside the caravan and a 2 kg CO2 outside on the A frame, placed there once we have pitched up. Thankfully never been stolen ,Yet.

We have two 2kg dry powder one at side door and one in conservatory and smoke detectors and one Fireshield 1kg dry powder in garage

 

[otherclive]

Here's a videoclip of the door cylinder that I was referring to:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51VPbHHwzTg

I fitted something similar to the front door of our last house. The keys are different to the “ standard” key and came with a unique security code printed onto a “ credit type” card. Only manufacturer approved companies could provide.replacements or extra keys.

 

[Lutz]

Would you agree that the cylinder I showed a picture of in # 28 achieves the same ends?

John

Basically, yes. It’s up to personal preference unless one specifically wants to be able to prevent an exit without a key, such as young children who could easily turn the inside knob and run out of the house.

I fitted something similar to the front door of our last house. The keys are different to the “ standard” key and came with a unique security code printed onto a “ credit type” card. Only manufacturer approved companies could provide.replacements or extra keys.

The lock cylinders that have this feature are available both in “standard” bit key and in dimple key versions. It’s the latter that only be copied by companies approved by the manufacturer.

 

[otherclive]

Basically, yes. It’s up to personal preference unless one specifically wants to be able to prevent an exit without a key, such as young children who could easily turn the inside knob and run out of the house.



The lock cylinders that have this feature are available both in “standard” bit key and in dimple key versions. It’s the latter that only be copied by companies approved by the manufacturer.

Yes that is why I opted for the dimple key option.

 

[Lutz]

Yes that is why I opted for the dimple key option.

The dimple key has the added advantage of being kinder to trouser pockets as it doesn't have any sharp edges.

 

[Jcloughie]

Yes that is why I opted for the dimple key option.

A further advantage of these registered keys is that you can order more cylinders for other doors and then have a single key system for all doors.

Basically, yes. It’s up to personal preference unless one specifically wants to be able to prevent an exit without a key, such as young children who could easily turn the inside knob and run out of the house.

I stupidly did not think of the child problem as I have a great granddaughter who is just at that age.

John

 

[Christhecaravanner84]

You and me both. I see that there is a later barrel on the market which has a thumb turn on the inside. Makes more sense IMHO

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John

I have this in my association flat, I think they are possibly a legal requirment for new builds due to fire regs. Of course no good if you want to put a cat flap in. I was going to change mine over for a key either side but chickened out of cutting a hole in my composite door without permission!

 

[Jcloughie]

I have this in my association flat, I think they are possibly a legal requirment for new builds due to fire regs. Of course no good if you want to put a cat flap in. I was going to change mine over for a key either side but chickened out of cutting a hole in my composite door without permission!

Different regs for flats. Individual houses are seemingly fairly unregulated. See #20. But if you just want a key on both sites it only needs the cylinder swapping over. No more security but as Lutz said you can prevent kids from escaping.


John

 

[Christhecaravanner84]

Different regs for flats. Individual houses are seemingly fairly unregulated. See #20. But if you just want a key on both sites it only needs the cylinder swapping over. No more security but as Lutz said you can prevent kids from escaping.


John

Oh yes. I know you just swap the barrell but I decided against fitting the cat flap due to the price of the door which I’d have to replace if I moved out.

 

[Buckman]

Oh yes. I know you just swap the barrell but I decided against fitting the cat flap due to the price of the door which I’d have to replace if I moved out.

If it is one of those PVC doors, can't you just replace the panel where the cat flap is fitted rather than the whole door?

 

[Christhecaravanner84]

If it is one of those PVC doors, can't you just replace the panel where the cat flap is fitted rather than the whole door?

Nope, it’s not PVC.

 

[Buckman]

Has anyone come across a key that you insert into a mortice lock, give it a turn and then remove half the key? We used this is our rear doors when in SA. This prevents people accessing the home while you are out as they cannot get in through a window even if they smashed the window.

 

[Hutch]

Has anyone come across a key that you insert into a mortice lock, give it a turn and then remove half the key? We used this is our rear doors when in SA. This prevents people accessing the home while you are out as they cannot get in through a window even if they smashed the window.

Yes I have one " in a safe place" in the garage, I can't remember where I got it from. It was for a mortice lock.