MP Shot and dies.

[Thingy]

Just seen the news about the MP. Utterly disgusted. Not surprised that there is a reaction to events but still disgusted.

Thoughts and prayers are with her family.

 

[Mel]

Absolutely awful. Whatever anyone's politics, this is not OK. Thoughts and prayers for her family, especially for her children.
Mel

 

[WoodlandsCamper]

It appears she tried intervening in a scuffle and then was injured, rather than being the target herself.
Sad though.

 

[Parksy]

It's terrible when anyone is killed in such a violent way, and the murder of a high profile public figure going about her business on a street in broad daylight is deeply shocking.
My sympathies go to her grieving family and friends.

 

[Dustydog]

What a tragic ending to a a wonderful altruistic person.
Heart breaking for her family.

 

[tenpole]

Shot and stabbed?! This country is becoming like America.

 

[3Amp]

There are certainly some very disturbed people out there. condolences to Her family.

 

[Thingy]

It appears she tried intervening in a scuffle

Im not sure that is the case. Consider the things she was involved in, Human Rights etc, I think she was probably the target. The fact that her attacker shouted "Britain First" points to that. I also genuinely believe something like this was bound to happen eventually. Britain is going to become a dangerous place to live over the next decade and it terrifies me to think of my children and grandson growing up in this world.

 

[colin-yorkshire]

Britain is going to become a dangerous place to live over the next decade and it terrifies me to think of my children and grandson growing up in this world.

Britain has always been a dangerous place just depends on where you live, the only thing that makes this incident international news is the high profile of the victim, for whom we all offer our condolences to her friends and family.
that fact is this is a common occurrence only it does nor reach the general press.
not far from us an old lady was beaten to death by some drug addict on her way home, for her pension money, it barely warranted 4 lines in the local paper,
I myself was accosted in the town centre two years ago in broad daylight, but unfortunately for him he picked the wrong guy on the wrong day as I had just bought a 32mm wrench off the tool man, after a whack with that he didn't hang around long.
it is all a question of perception I'm afraid.

 

[Gagakev]

Its a sad, bitter, and twisted world we live in.
My condolences to the family, and also to the family of the 8 month old baby that was killed this week in my hometown, 27 year old man arrested.
A man was also jailed this week for 20 years for killing and setting fire to another man last year, again in my home town.
And I always thought this was a nice area to be bought up in!!!
Obviously it happens all the time nationally but when it is close to home and normally quite rare it really does make you think.
Take care everyone.

 

[Parksy]

It appears she tried intervening in a scuffle and then was injured, rather than being the target herself.
Sad though.

Im not sure that is the case. Consider the things she was involved in, Human Rights etc, I think she was probably the target. The fact that her attacker shouted "Britain First" points to that. I also genuinely believe something like this was bound to happen eventually. Britain is going to become a dangerous place to live over the next decade and it terrifies me to think of my children and grandson growing up in this world.

Until the police have finished their investigations no one knows what the motive for this dreadful murder could have been. There are conflicting reports on what, if anything, the attacker is alleged to have shouted and it's not yet clear what the involvement of the injured man was, no doubt all will be revealed in due course.

 

[Thingy]

Absolutely, only giving an opinion, not a fact.

Whatever the truth is, there is nothing to be gained by violence, except more violence. Part of my resoning for what I think is that the police had released details that she had been having death threats for months (BBC) and that police were due to step up security.

 

[Parksy]

Apparently death threats and vile abuse toward our MP's are not uncommon, the increasingly widespread use of instant mass communication has brought about a false sense of anonymity to those who channel their frustration and hatred through the internet.
Police should track down these internet thugs and arrest them.
It's surprising how often terrorists and other assorted murderers signal their intentions through social media.

 

[Raywood]

It is a tragedy and our sympathies are with her family. From what I read the man arrested has mental problems which is becoming a common cause of crime these days.

 

[Thingy]

From what I read the man arrested has mental problems which is becoming a common cause of crime these days.

Im afraid that will be more and more the case. With austerity and budget cuts, the NHS imploding and many other contributing factors, the loss of secure places and the "care in the community ethos", its painfully obvious that this sort of thing is difficult if not impossible to guard against.

 

[Parksy]

From news reports it appears that this fatal attack may have been politically motivated after all. If this is indeed the case a well liked and hard working MP has been assassinated.
Any form of political or religious extremism is a graphic manifestation of mental illness in my humble opinion.

 

[Dustydog]

From news reports it appears that this fatal attack may have been politically motivated after all. If this is indeed the case a well liked and hard working MP has been assassinated.
Any form of political or religious extremism is a graphic manifestation of mental illness in my humble opinion.

Steve.
I thought we were apolitical on here
Sorry mate but I cannot accept your last sentence about the mental illness.
If I did believe in that statement then in another world we may invite the wrong defence to pre meditated murder allowing the miscreant to serve a two year suspended sentence due to diminished responsibility.

 

[Parksy]

From news reports it appears that this fatal attack may have been politically motivated after all. If this is indeed the case a well liked and hard working MP has been assassinated.
Any form of political or religious extremism is a graphic manifestation of mental illness in my humble opinion.

Steve.
I thought we were apolitical on here
Sorry mate but I cannot accept your last sentence about the mental illness.
If I did believe in that statement then in another world we may invite the wrong defence to pre meditated murder allowing the miscreant to serve a two year suspended sentence due to diminished responsibility.

My comment wasn't meant to advocate or highlight any political viewpoint or issue Alan, I'm simply repeating what was reported on the news because earlier I'd cast doubt on an opinion offered by 'Thingy'.
It would appear however that he may have been right.
Mental illness is often used by defence counsel to claim that a murderer acted when suffering from a condition which diminished the responsibility of the perpetrator.
It's for the prosecution to prove otherwise and they are often able to prove their case very successfully.
Mental illness does not invariably diminish responsibility for a criminal act, there are degrees of mental instability.
Violent psychopaths are suffering from a form of mental disorder but the responsibility for their crimes is undiminished.
As I stated, this is simply my own opinion.
Personally speaking, I can't believe that the various religious fundamentalists of all creeds or cultures, or those at the either of the extreme ends of the political spectrum who have a predilection for violence could be considered to be normal well balanced individuals.

 

[Dustydog]

Thanks Steve.
We are singing from the same hymn sheet although I suspect you are better than me

The problem with these cases is that they invariably become media driven setting hares racing in all directions. I noticed yesterday one journalist hinting that the police had been slow to offer Jo "protection". I wonder where that will take us in this "blame Culture" world we now live in.
We also saw details of the obscure magazines the guy had bought from America including how to make a home made gun. The media allege he did use a homemade gun.
If that was the case then I can't help but feel there is some pre medication in this action which arises from extremist views of some sort. Sadly his Legal team, funded by us, will seek to use every trick in the book to excuse his misbehaviour and obtain a next to nothing sentence.
This doesn't bring Jo Cox back

 

[Parksy]

I was listening to the news this morning and it was reported that abuse and threats toward public officials such as local councillors and MP's, often through social media on the internet, have become more widespread in recent times.
Many of us hold a somewhat jaded, even cynical, view of MP's.
The highly publicised expenses scandal did nothing to enhance the reputation of politicians, but society, and in particular the media, need to adopt a fairer more balanced and measured approach when trying to scrutinise the words and deeds of those who we elect to serve us.
Every political interview on tv is akin to a form of Spanish inquisition, with the interviewer trying hard to force an error or slip of the tongue and a hapless MP or minister doing their best to stick to their brief, to avoid giving a direct answer to a direct question, and to continue speaking about unrelated issues without pause until the allotted time is expended.
This needs to change.
There is to be a police review regarding security for MP's and no doubt 'lessons will be learned', but this murder happened on a busy market town street at lunchtime. It's difficult to know what could have prevented this terrible event, unless public servants are to be protected to the extent whereby they are surrounded by teams of armed bodyguards wherever they go.
Sadly Alan, I share your dismay at the prospect of a smart Aleck legal team, paid for by us as usual, attempting to somehow mitigate the slaying of this young mother who worked tirelessly and unselfishly for those who elected her to represent them.
One can only hope that the jury at the killers trial see through the psychobabble, and that the judge hands down a sentence which will set an example which may deter others who threaten, abuse and use violent means for their own twisted ends.

 

[JonnyG]

I was listening to the news this morning and it was reported that abuse and threats toward public officials such as local councillors and MP's, often through social media on the internet, have become more widespread in recent times.
Many of us hold a somewhat jaded, even cynical, view of MP's.
The highly publicised expenses scandal did nothing to enhance the reputation of politicians, but society, and in particular the media, need to adopt a fairer more balanced and measured approach when trying to scrutinise the words and deeds of those who we elect to serve us.
Every political interview on tv is akin to a form of Spanish inquisition, with the interviewer trying hard to force an error or slip of the tongue and a hapless MP or minister doing their best to stick to their brief, to avoid giving a direct answer to a direct question, and to continue speaking about unrelated issues without pause until the allotted time is expended.
This needs to change.
There is to be a police review regarding security for MP's and no doubt 'lessons will be learned', but this murder happened on a busy market town street at lunchtime. It's difficult to know what could have prevented this terrible event, unless public servants are to be protected to the extent whereby they are surrounded by teams of armed bodyguards wherever they go.
Sadly Alan, I share your dismay at the prospect of a smart Aleck legal team, paid for by us as usual, attempting to somehow mitigate the slaying of this young mother who worked tirelessly and unselfishly for those who elected her to represent them.
One can only hope that the jury at the killers trial see through the psychobabble, and that the judge hands down a sentence which will set an example which may deter others who threaten, abuse and use violent means for their own twisted ends.

Hi Steve with regards to your last paragraph.. would love to share that sentiment.,but its nothing more than wishful thinking. the persons that do these crimes are not normal, that fact alone means that what would deter a normal rational person will not apply to them..

 

[Parksy]

Sadly I think that you're right Jonny

 

[saint-spoon]

I have watched with distaste as this dreadful event has been completely politicised from the very beginning. Even on this forum, government cuts have been blamed or insinuated as complicit without any corroborating evidence. Why do folk find the need to play on the misery of others for political gain? My thoughts go out to Jo’s Widower and to the two children who lost their mother in this attack.

 

[Thingy]

I dont think anyone here is "playing" on the misery that this poor family has suffered. I think its far more a case of people becomming concerned at certain events that have happened on the UK mainland in recent years.

I go back to the days of Ulster and the Armagh bandit country, and I truly hoped we had seen the last of that sort of thing, but with a new rise in global terror striking at our very fabric, I think its only natural that people will discuss these events. Bombs and bombers are shocking enough, but to see a British soldier beheaded on British Streets, commuters bombed on the way to work (7/11), this poor woman murdered whilst doing her job, well, these events are bound to provoke a reaction/discussion.

 

[saint-spoon]

But Blaming the murder on government cuts or as one social medai poster called it the crawling fascism that's infecting our country. Why?