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[BeemerMal]

philip....You are so wrong in your appraisal. There is'nt anyone on this board, to my knowlwdge, that puts possessions above people?

Many of us have caravanned with children and grandchildren and love the freedom caravanning provides the whole family. However, this freedom must be for everyone to enjoy and it is so wrong to think your children can freely go about enjoying themselves even if it means damaging other peoples property (even through accident). It is the parents that must instill a responsible attitude into their children and unfortunately some (the minority) fail to grasp their responsibility and that is why the "no ball games" rule is being enforced.

A few who only ever think about "me" don't care and their attitude has spoiled it for everyone else.

 

[philip_374229949]

sorry beemerMal but my comment was fair and in response to the pathetic threat from MikeAce to do harm to children and parents. There should be no room for such comments and it should be roundly condemned along with any who imply support of that position.

This is not the first time I have read this type of stuff on this forum site. It is wrong and I hope the silent majority who do not condone such comments might post support for what I say. Perhaps that will prevent further unpleasant threats. Let's stick to the basics. Kids should respect the rules. They should not be intimidated or threatened.

 

[Angus1]

Ah yes, the `silent majority` - a phrase commonly used when swimming against the tide with ones eyes shut.

I dont see evidence of `contempt for children full stop` in this or any other thread, only a wish that they and their parents behave as responsible human beings and respect the feelings and property of others. If thats beyond them, tough.

As has been said, if you don`t like the rules, don`t go.

If you can`t abide by the rules, don`t go.

If these `rules` make the sites a little bit more pleasant than the huge swathes of the country where the contempt is for decent honest individual rather than the unruly toe-rags and their couldn`t care less parents backed up by bleeding-heart liberals then they`ll get my support. Everytime.

 

[gypsy]

Good Post Angus, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

 

[MikeAce]

Phillip.

in response to your comment about my "pathetic threat" i have every damn right to protect my property, and where did it say i would harm children? you need to read threads thoroughly before making your uninformed comments and attempting to sway people to your minority view.

I am a very placid fella, i have on many occasions when on site walked over to people struggling to set up their outfits and handed them cool drinks, i will add that no one have ever done that for me. i will not however stand idly by while rotten kids damage my property. i will take it out on the parents for their lack of control, pleasantly at first, then i will see where it leads.

you may rather coward away from conflict if that helps you sleep at night, me? i sleep well knowing i am protecting my family and its possessions like real men should.

It is attitudes like yours that has forced children to have no respect, how can children learn values when they are allowed to do what they want.

we clearly have different interpretations of the word "pathetic"

 

[MikeAce]

this is why i first stated:

"not this old chestnut again" we have now truly done this topic to death twice and come to the same conclusions twice.

 

[philip_374229949]

I will accept on re reading your first comment that you did not threaten to hit a child. Shall we just say it's ok to threaten to hit his dad then !

I am sure we will both sleep well with our different views.

My minority view will sleep well with me

 

[kathryn_5122141]

Philip I am with you 100% - if you look at August's PC magazine my thread on the same subject called Family Caravanning got letter of the month and won me

 

[Diane1]

Kathryn, At the tender age of 41 i do not consider myself old.

Actually i think i am quite young, as for you posting every where you can about children playing ball games on CC sites and your children waundering to close to other peoples caravans, well at that age mine were never out of my sight.

We take our dogs on Holiday with us, one of them is a rottwieler, and he adores kids and is the biggest softest bear ever. But if you were to see him in our awning you would give our van a very wide birth.

Irrelevant you say? No it s the same thing with children and camp sites, it fear of the unknown. In this day and age its just not safe to let your kids go and people are afraid to speak to a child for the self same reason.

As for the ball game thing, i still don't want my caravan hit and if Max saw kids playing with a ball he would want to play to, and its very hard to stop a 9 stone rottie pulling up a ground spike when he wants to go play. Then i would have every parent on site yelling that thier little darkings are going to eaten by my nasty rottie!

So to end not all CC members are old.

 

[kathryn_5122141]

Actually I never let my kids out of my sight where have I ever posted that I have? Mine are only 2 and 5 and they are constantly in our sight - we are always playing with them and having family fun together.

We have all sorts of fun things in our caravan toy box and usually have a shifting population of around 7 children at any one time playing where we can see them - with colouring things and skipping ropes and egg and spoon games and foam rockets and trucks and diggers and this weekend we had several children whose parents we never saw collecting rocks and pottery out of the river and bringing them to us for our inspection and finding fossils and minerals with our two boys. We go fishing with them and walking and climbing but I can categorically state that they are never at this age let out of our sight for even a minute.

Dogs I don't personally like but I am always pleasant to their owners and they would never for a moment know that I think they are smelly things - in fact there was one this weekend that we had to walk past to get to the river and we got very friendly with the owners who were completely unaware that we weren't as enamoured with their pet as they were. Just good manners, live and let live and all that.

 

[Diane1]

To Quote you from a previous post" So far this year we have only seen the outside of people's caravans with huge satellite dishes attached and occasional sniffy twitches as they pull aside their flyscreens to peer outside to make sure our boys are not coming too close to their territory".

You were with your children then?

You seem hell bent on a segregated style of camping? Why i wonder? As i said not all caravaners are what you make out,and not all children are not properly supervised by thier parents.

Well if you dont let your kids out of your sight- good for you!

Many people do and then thats when accidents happen. I personally adore kids, and have 4 (17 to 25). And if your boys wanted to come play with my big bear, that would be fine by me.

Just because hes a rotties does not make him a killer, And just because some one is over 40 and dose not take thier (they won't come any, where not cool enough) teenagers caravaning with them,

dose not make them old.

 

[ColinA]

Kathryn why dont you just stay at UKCampsite if they are all so much nicer than we are. This is not your first post saying this.

Colin

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Kathryn why dont you just stay at UKCampsite if they are all so much nicer than we are. This is not your first post saying this.

Colin

Hear! Hear! I'll second that :O)

Au Revoir kathryn.

 

[Rita1]

Hear! Hear! I'll second that :O)

Au Revoir kathryn.

Hear! Hear! I'll third that :O)

Au Revoir kathryn.

 

[Angus1]

Kathryn why dont you just stay at UKCampsite if they are all so much nicer than we are. This is not your first post saying this.

Colin

Can I fourth it?

 

[RogerP]

I've atched this thread for while now and want to add a little comment.

Firstly I'm a parent of a 2 year old who likes to play with his football.(all be it with a sponge ball)

That said I fully agree with the enforcing this rule.

But I feel the Clubs are their own worst enemies and the popularity of caravanning is seen a cheep holiday and , I dare to say it , has attracted those who do not appreciate the life style and the respect it commands.

My solution is to make the Clubs less attractive to those types in the first place.

I started caravanning 35 years ago I dont recall this being a problem then? sites were less crowded , there were areas we could go off a play in without disturbing others but still under the watchfull eye of parents and in safety.

Seems the Clubs just want to cram more people in and this to me is the overriding problem. Solve that and i bet these problems would evaporate.

My solution , charge

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I joined UKCampsite but didn't last more than a few hours. Unknown to me Lol was also amember under a different nic whereas I kept this one. Lol posted to me "are you looking for skippy (Kanga) LB lmao"? and I replied no, although not knowing that it was Lol I posted to. For those few words the website owner of UKCampsite banned both of us without having the decency to say why until I posted a thread in this forum which he obviously reads. It was then he said we were banned because we mentioned that nic. Now if thats a friendly site kathryn you are welcome to it because you certainly come over, from your postings, of a holier than thou person and if anyone disagrees with you they are wrong, decrepid and near deaths door. Don't forget that lots of people who disagree with you are also young parents and some of us living fossils have actually reared successfully our own broods and now help rear our grandchildren which gives us far greater parenting skills than your goodself. From your past postings you have been hyper critical about others and if you stay at UKCampsite I don't think somehow you will be sorely missed here :O)

Give my regards to the UKCampsite webmaster please and also to that hyperactive Hippy_Chick if she's still there, the one that puts millions of smilies into each post that drives one scatty trying to read them ;O)

 

[BrianStAlbans]

Maybe we could start a numbers game , or guess the song ,or watch paint dry.

yes,yes,yes.

LMMAAAOOO.

HIPPY BRIAN

LOTS OF SMILIE ICON THINGYS

 

[kathryn_5122141]

Hmmmmm... point kind of proved I guess there Philip??

Diane - yes I was there with my boys or else I couldn't have seen the twitchy curtains. And I certainly don't want a segregated camping - we are off with an age range of 75 to 2 this weekend. Age is nothing to do with physical age and all to do with mental attitude - you can have 20 year olds who are old in mind I think (though admittedly not many!!)

Come on everyone else surely I am allowed to posit an alternative point of view without you all being nasty to me? We live in a democracy after all.

If you are all so critical about kids why can't I jump in there with my counter arguments? I love my kids and am trying to bring them up as best I can in this aggressive modern society we now live in. I am passionate about my life and my beliefs - not sure this makes me holier than thou but if you think so you are of course entitled to your opinions.

I maintain my lofty position........

Hugs and kisses to you all

 

[BrianStAlbans]

I'd save my breath Kathryn as you will see there are some on here who are "on edge as soon as I hear the sound of Children"

Poor kids have got no chance.

 

[RiaandJames_374303418]

Due to James job we do not have pets, but we do caravan with my mum and dads dogs at times. They like to play ball and chase frizbees and run about but never near caravans and know when to sit and come when called.

Yjey also know the following

STAY = Sit, then lie down and they do not move until called.

SIT = Sit

COME HERE = they do it without questioning and instantly.

Heel = stay beside me

GET/GO IN = They enter the car, caravan or house instantly without whining, moaning or heading in another direction acting up amd making a noise that annoys others whilst being screamed at by their owners.

They also eat what they are given with no fuss and are quite well mannered offering a paw in thanks.

They also bark warnings at strangers but go quiet when told.

Their repertoire is quite good and they tend to be way ahead of many kids we see.

If your children can't do the same on camp sites or at home, have a good look at your parenting skills as you are failing ;-)

Ria

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I can understand the defence of your own children kathryn, we all had the most beautiful, well behaved children in our own minds. I can also understand why, in a way, you believe them to be well behaved. They are 2 & 5 kathryn, if they acted like hooligans out of control it would be a surprise. Believe me, your troubles will start in a few years time. I'm not saying they will be unruly kids even then but I can guarantee you that they will bring other problems, theres no such thing as a child with a halo over their head and you will soon learn that. Kids are kids and continue to experiment throughout their growing lives.

Now I have said this many times in this forum until I'm blue in the finger but I will post it again because even Brian goes off on one if anyone as much as mentions a bad word about kids.

OK so pin back your peepers .....

If any person in this forum as much as mentions about unruly kids some on here take it personally that that person is attacking THEIR own kids and feel the need to defend them. This is not so, there are unruly kids out there with parents who don't give a monkey's **** where they are or what they are doing. Now please get real or invite me into this Utopia of a Kindergarten where you live.

Sometimes it does honestly worry me about people who believe their kids are angels and can do no wrong because these children grow up being able to twist their parents around their little finger and the results can be seen on Jeremy Kyle.

Can I now ask that if someone has had a bad experience regarding children on a site they are allowed to make a post without those who have angelic children believing the nasty poster is referring to them?

For the record I'm looking after my grandson for the next few days because his parents have gone to Borth and he would prefer to stay with us. See, parenting never finishes after your own brood have left home :O)

*Jeremy Kyle rules* .... hehheh!

 

[BeemerMal]

As has been said before this topic will always draw differing opinions and arguments.....but it appears everyone, who has commented on this board, are in favour of family caravanning but nobody has yet admitted to being the ones who allow their children to play with balls close to other caravans. Actually the ones who have commented appear to religously supervise their own children and they ALWAYS stay with them at ALL times when they play. So why is there an argument amongst people who do care?

It is the parents of unsupervised children, who allow their little darlings to do whatever they want, usually as long as it is out of their own sight. Lets hear from these parents? Bet we don't get many takers because everyone thinks it is always other people's children that cause problems.

And, before another barrage.....my boys, when they were young were not perfect but they were taught to be polite and to be respectful. If another caravanner complained to me it was usually because my boys did something wrong and I dealt with them immediately (the boys that is!). Sometimes the compainers were just whinging (it takes all kinds) but I saw no point in going defensive on how perfect my children were.

Are we really talking about is not a "No Ball Games" rule? Is it not really about everyone having respect for others! We see little respect in everyday life so it is not supprising that any lack of respect for others will spill over to campsites as well.

 

[AnthonyVJ]

Actually I never let my kids out of my sight where have I ever posted that I have? Mine are only 2 and 5 and they are constantly in our sight - we are always playing with them and having family fun together.

We have all sorts of fun things in our caravan toy box and usually have a shifting population of around 7 children at any one time playing where we can see them - with colouring things and skipping ropes and egg and spoon games and foam rockets and trucks and diggers and this weekend we had several children whose parents we never saw collecting rocks and pottery out of the river and bringing them to us for our inspection and finding fossils and minerals with our two boys. We go fishing with them and walking and climbing but I can categorically state that they are never at this age let out of our sight for even a minute.

Dogs I don't personally like but I am always pleasant to their owners and they would never for a moment know that I think they are smelly things - in fact there was one this weekend that we had to walk past to get to the river and we got very friendly with the owners who were completely unaware that we weren't as enamoured with their pet as they were. Just good manners, live and let live and all that.

Diane

You have my support 100%. I enjoyed reading the variety of activities you and the children get up to on site. What about starting a thread where we could all suggest (non ball)games that we used to play, this could help give families a positive approach to the No ball games rule. I'm sure we could all remember something we used to do as children without throwing or kicking a ball!

Helen

 

[AnthonyVJ]

Actually I never let my kids out of my sight where have I ever posted that I have? Mine are only 2 and 5 and they are constantly in our sight - we are always playing with them and having family fun together.

We have all sorts of fun things in our caravan toy box and usually have a shifting population of around 7 children at any one time playing where we can see them - with colouring things and skipping ropes and egg and spoon games and foam rockets and trucks and diggers and this weekend we had several children whose parents we never saw collecting rocks and pottery out of the river and bringing them to us for our inspection and finding fossils and minerals with our two boys. We go fishing with them and walking and climbing but I can categorically state that they are never at this age let out of our sight for even a minute.

Dogs I don't personally like but I am always pleasant to their owners and they would never for a moment know that I think they are smelly things - in fact there was one this weekend that we had to walk past to get to the river and we got very friendly with the owners who were completely unaware that we weren't as enamoured with their pet as they were. Just good manners, live and let live and all that.

Sorry Kathryn that should have been to you not Diane!!