Our dog is a pain.....

Oct 11, 2005
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Just read the bothersome dog thread from a few weeks ago......and need some advice.

We have a mongrel. He gets over-excited when we take him in the car/caravan - even when only reaching for the lead. It makes our lives a misery, we either end up paying stupid money for kenneling or even staying home. In the car, he jumps about everywhere, howling with excitement. We all get stressed out.

Had him neutered at vet's advice (and profit) to no avail. Have tried putting him in the caravan when travelling, but the noise he makes is embarrassing when we pull in anywhere. He gets lots of love and excercise, but we are at our wits end and he is ruining our lives.

Any (helpful) ideas?
 

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Mar 14, 2005
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Hi Jeff

It's very hard to comment without actually seeing the wider picture - the dog in action and the way you handle him.

Brief advice - might help:

You must establish leadership and some basic dog training skills. Dogs must always be treated as the lowest member of the household. You must be pack leader. Feed yourself and the rest of the family first, don't allow him to barge through doors before the family, don't allow him to run upstairs before you. Keep him off the furniture. I could go on and on.

I know it will be hard, but when the dog starts getting excited, try not to react to it, try to remain calm, try to ignore it. Try not to bend over towards the dog as that is a 'play' gesture. Always ask the dog to sit before putting the lead on. You could try getting the lead out at home and putting it on the dog (without any intention of actually taking him out) and just ignore the dog when he gets hyper. Remove the lead, ignore the dog again, put the lead back on. Do this probably 15 times a day until the dog loses interest. When you do put the lead on to take the dog out or into the car, do it quickly and quietly, no fuss. Walk the dog to the car, go back inside, walk the dog to the car, go back inside.... etc. Walk up the road, arrive home, put dog in the car, sit in the car for 3 mins, get yourself and the dog out, go back into the house. Keep him guessing.

Regarding travelling - have you thought about buying a seatbelt harness? They are excellent, it will restrain him from being able to jump about the car. Also, from a safety point of view, should you be involved in an accident, (heaven forbid), you won't have the dog being shunted around the car and causing serious injury to passengers and itself. Or, how about a dog crate? Could you fit one in the boot of the car? Dogs feel safe in 'dens' such as dog crates, you could use it at home and in the awning too. However, the dog will have to become accoustomed to using a dog crate. - at home, leave the door open, place the dog's food in it, allow the dog to go in and out....... don't close the door on him until he is completely comfortable with the crate, then leave him in it for VERY short periods of time. Please do not try to travel the dog in the caravan, that will compound matters and is a safety issue.

I suggest you get hands on advice by taking him to basic dog training as it sounds like you all could benefit. I highly recommend you try it, it is fun actually and will, I am sure help you and your dog to have a better relationship.

You could ring your local vet, rspca etc and they might have the contact details for a good dog training establishment.

Another word of advice, don't join any dog training establishemnt which uses choke chains (causes damage to a dog's throat). All dog training should be reward based. A good dog trainer will let you and your dog sit and observe during the first session.

Buy a copy of Bruce Fogle's 'the dog's mind' - an excellent book which will give you an insight into how the dog thinks etc.

Having a male dog castrated can 'cure' some issues but is not necessarily the answer to everything.

I wish you luck, it is very upsetting when you have the problems you describe but it's something that should be able to be changed, however, it will take time and patience and hard work by yourself and your dog.

Let us know how you get on.

Lisa.
 
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take a look here http://www.apbc.org.uk/articles.htm and this one http://www.padsonline.org/. I know what its like our last dog was a rescue dog that did the same, so we had to retrain her takes time. we had to train her not to pull on the lead by changing direction every time she pulled on the lead (you dont get far) you must keep a calm cheerful voice and a bag of doggie treats.

In the car its best to have a crate with some safe toys and ignore him, or but him in the car and praise him when he behaves and put him out the car when he plays up (of course you'll have to do this on your drive)always having a calm cheerful voice even when you put him out of the car.

he'll soon learn that if he barks or plays up he ends up out of the car.

Also when you arrive at a site and he starts to bark to get out, every body gets out of the car and leaves him in ignoring him unstill he shuts up

Hope that helps
 
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Hi its Pauline, Jims wife,I think the first step would be to get the dog under control. My best advice would be to find a good dog training club one that would let you sit in and see if you like there methods. You can usually get a list from your local vet dont just go and see one go to a few!! and then go to the one you like the best... We have a lot of rescue dogs come to our club we do the kennel club good citizen scheme , this helps we all aspects of trainin a dog. ( I have been a dog trainer for over 20 years )

Restrainng your dog in the car is the best way to stop him being a nuisance a crate is the best one that I have found. Once you have got the dog under contol the lead problem should not be an issue. Most dogs get hyped up when they think they are going out for a walk, the sugestion that was made about the use of a lead indoors is a great way to stop this annoying problem.

I hope that you can solve these problems with your new dog.

We have four dogs 3 of them are german shepherds we usualy take 2 of them with us and have some great times with them, we always make sure that they are under control at all times.( As a lot of people are afraid of them ) they are great big softies

I hope you haave lots of loveley holidays with your dog as we have had.....
 
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Our dogs were unruly when travelling, always wanting to be in the front passenger seat reading the map, that sort of thing. Try saying "NO" to what seemed like a cross between a German Shepherd and a werewolf! The vets helped us out though; they can prescribe "travel pills" that have the fortunate effect of calming dogs down. This was a few years ago, but I would imagine that they are still available.
 
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Travel pills or a sedative are a good idea but do you really want to have to use them every time you go out? Its obviously better to train them out of it if you can. By the way, Lol, did you say you used to "work" for BT?
 
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No Jim, I just used that as an example. I was trained in the Royal Signals as a Telecommunications mechanic, which is the eqivalent to a BT linesman/faultsman/jointer etc. In fact I have worked on pretty much every type of network, apart from the BT network.
 
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No Jim, I just used that as an example. I was trained in the Royal Signals as a Telecommunications mechanic, which is the eqivalent to a BT linesman/faultsman/jointer etc. In fact I have worked on pretty much every type of network, apart from the BT network.
Sorry Lol must have got my wires crossed there, (probably a split pair!) Spent most of my BT career working with the RAF and I was based on an RAF site. Its a great place to work---if you are a civilian!
 
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Sorry Lol must have got my wires crossed there, (probably a split pair!) Spent most of my BT career working with the RAF and I was based on an RAF site. Its a great place to work---if you are a civilian!
Is if you are in the forces too, I spent 4 years on an RAF base in Germany. Easy living uh, or in a common speech Meggar!
 
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all our dogs travel in a crate they have lots of blankets on the bottom and a few toys to keep them amused just like children really. It worked for us so try it, but he maynot like going in it at first you,d need to get him accustom to it in the house before attempting the car. Good luck.
 
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You could always take your dog on lots of little tprips in a crate to get him used to it, also use it as his bed in doors so that it is a cosey plase for him to be .. good luck Pauline
 
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Hi Jeff

We have a Cairn terrier who loves travelling around the country with us. We accommodate her in her cage in the car and the only time we experience a problem with her is when a motor cyclist appears! However, she soon calms down when no longer in sight.

However, if you are taking your dog(s) on any journey (long/short) it must be remembered that water must be available at all times. We bought a gadget that fits on the inside bars of the cage and a water bowl is then supported in this. Ideal, as there is very little, if any, dripping of water onto bedding and sips can be taken at leisure.
 
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This is a blast from the past; I have reactivated it as we have had a similar problem with Rosie. As you know we got Rosie as an 8 week old puppy 6 months ago, training has been going well until a couple of weeks ago when she started to bark whilst in her crate in the car.

We tried several ways to make her desist including ignoring her, we have succeeded with the use of a cover over her crate. When she started to bark I would stop the car and place the cover over the crate so she could not see anything, once she had settled down about 5 minutes I removed the cover, if she started to bark again the cover would be put back.

Surprisingly it took only 2 trips in the car for her to learn that if she barks the cover goes on, so she does not bark any more in the car.
 
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Our Toby has out grown any cage that will fit in the disco so he now has a harness that is attached to the strap down points. We got him from south wales so his first trip in a car was 120 miles and he loves it now.

We had to get a roof box for use when we go away as Toby shares the back of the car with just a small 12v fridge. Lucky dog has more room than any of us!
 
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Our Cocker Spaniel travels a treat, but our Border Collie was a nightmare in her crate - we bought a specialist dog cage for our vehicle, which bolts onto a platform, (the rear 2 seats removed it completely fills the rear spacein the vehicle) and because it is higher up she can see out. It seems to be working as on our recent trips out she has not been too bad at all - if all else fails, invest in a pair of ear defenders!!

Lolly x
 
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We have 4 dogs that own any car they are in!

Over the years we have found that all dogs travel better if they can see out. Walking around the house with a couple of leads in hand or around my neck had them lose interest and get into an over excited state, and we changed the time we would walk them.

Our dogs will not touch a treat when out on a walk or if uou are trying to train them. The like a big ammount of fuss and eye contact at their level but patting and hugging a wet muddy Spaniel gets some funny looks and causes oher problems!

Your idea of a good ammount of excersize and the dogs needs MAY be wildly different. Ours cover about 15 miles a day at least off the lead and never stop still whilst out. Sniffing and hunting out scents stimulate and tire them out as well as the excersize.

My daughter had a very active retriever pup that was a pain, as soon as he had developed and could run free on walks he changed completely!
 
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We have a very vocal german shepherd.

she is a total pain in the car, but we have had just to get used to her, she doesnt jump about - she is behind a dog guard in the back of our freelander, but she is VERY loud in the car, on the motorways she is fine (lies down - no noise) but as soon as we put the indicator on and go and drive on a normal road/country lane she howls for england, everytime we turn a corner, everytime the indicator ticks and when we eventually end up at our location (ANY location - should it be supermarket/garage/beach/forest)...her volume and excitement is uncontrolable until she is either released from the car or realises shes not actually getting out!!

over the years we have had some embarrassing looks, almost as though people think she is in pain, but i suppose she is just that sort of dog and i cannot think of a way it could be controlled. (wish we had a mute button).
 
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Hi its Pauline, Jims wife,I think the first step would be to get the dog under control. My best advice would be to find a good dog training club one that would let you sit in and see if you like there methods. You can usually get a list from your local vet dont just go and see one go to a few!! and then go to the one you like the best... We have a lot of rescue dogs come to our club we do the kennel club good citizen scheme , this helps we all aspects of trainin a dog. ( I have been a dog trainer for over 20 years )

Restrainng your dog in the car is the best way to stop him being a nuisance a crate is the best one that I have found. Once you have got the dog under contol the lead problem should not be an issue. Most dogs get hyped up when they think they are going out for a walk, the sugestion that was made about the use of a lead indoors is a great way to stop this annoying problem.

I hope that you can solve these problems with your new dog.

We have four dogs 3 of them are german shepherds we usualy take 2 of them with us and have some great times with them, we always make sure that they are under control at all times.( As a lot of people are afraid of them ) they are great big softies

I hope you haave lots of loveley holidays with your dog as we have had.....
wow pauline - 3 german shepherds! and i thought my GSD was a handfull, love her to bits tho!
 
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Buy a childrens water pistol!!! It's amazing how well it works without damage to the dog. He will soon get used to the fact that every time he barks, etc., you squirt him except for his pride. Use it also whilst travelling in the car.

This is tried and tested and has always worked for us. Now the only time my pooch makes a noise whilst travelling is if a motorbike rider comes near. Not too many of them to cause a problem.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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well we all know that the Dogs are worried about something,and it is their only way of letting us know,we have been given lot's of good advice. let's see which will calm our individual Dog.the best advice is to stay calm and show who is in control without upsetting the Dog.
 
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Hi its Pauline, Jims wife,I think the first step would be to get the dog under control. My best advice would be to find a good dog training club one that would let you sit in and see if you like there methods. You can usually get a list from your local vet dont just go and see one go to a few!! and then go to the one you like the best... We have a lot of rescue dogs come to our club we do the kennel club good citizen scheme , this helps we all aspects of trainin a dog. ( I have been a dog trainer for over 20 years )

Restrainng your dog in the car is the best way to stop him being a nuisance a crate is the best one that I have found. Once you have got the dog under contol the lead problem should not be an issue. Most dogs get hyped up when they think they are going out for a walk, the sugestion that was made about the use of a lead indoors is a great way to stop this annoying problem.

I hope that you can solve these problems with your new dog.

We have four dogs 3 of them are german shepherds we usualy take 2 of them with us and have some great times with them, we always make sure that they are under control at all times.( As a lot of people are afraid of them ) they are great big softies

I hope you haave lots of loveley holidays with your dog as we have had.....
Sarah the 3 Shepherds are no problem, its the 4th dog that causes all the trouble. What is it ? A Jack Russell of course!!!!
 
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Ann's suggestion about the water pistol is very good advice. We use this method with ours but we use a small hand held garden sprayer (99p from a well known general store) which has an adjustable spray which can be set to give a gentle mist so the dog gets a face full not just an eye full ( if that doesnt work you can always adjust it and give him the full works!). Obviously you would not use this method if the dog is barking because it is worried about something or if it is telling you that there is someone at the door etc but its usually just excitement (especially when you have 4 together and they all try to out-shout the others) and its easy to tell the difference.
 
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The water thing worked years ago with our Collie. Our next dog thought it was a hoot and just tried to drink the water and would go and get the end of the hose when we were in the garden.

Our present Spaniels think water sprayed, shot, splashed or thrown at them is not just a laugh, but the best fun in the world. They love it and are happy to be soaked through and roll about covering themselves making 4 muddy monsters.

Any advice ?
 
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Hi Chris

Try using a water pistol in conjunction with a stern command of 'STOP'. Both used together should work, albeit eventually!

Ann
 

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