Photos & the Moderator

[colin(bridgend)]

I initially thought that the adding of photos to this forum could be of benefit. However on second thoughts and reading through postings I am now of the opinion that ALL photos should be removed and that no further photos be accepted. Under the Data Protection Act a person is to be respected for privacy. The contributer may say that the enclosed photo is of his family, outfit, etc. but this is only their word. A person in the background may be somewhere or with someone they were not meant to be at/with. The reprocussions of this can be horendous. Practical Caravan could be sued for eg. cause for wrongful dismisal, divorce or goodness knows wht else. Also peodophiles could take images and superimpose offensive material onto an innocent child's head and redistribute the material.

The overall legal implications for these innocent photos could be horendous to both Practical Caravan and the contributer.

 

[cris_408518]

I think with respect that Colin has a limited knowlege of the law and that his comments re Peadophilia is a little fanciful.

As posted elsewhere. Pictures of Children of all ages are available on many retail web sites.

I think that pictures should be confined directly to Caravaning only !

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Colin see the comment Steve made, only he was trying to be tactful. If like me if you dont understand the workings of HTML and links it best to stay mum :O( Better than putting your foot in it and looking a fool M8.

 

[sparkes]

Colin

At no point can PC be held responsable for a link posted on its forum. Only the host of the image can be done for that.

Also, any picture taken in a public place is legal and it does not matter if the queen is washing in the window opposite, no law can make it restricted except if it is proven that a person can come to harm from its contents.

If the legal implication you state was in any way close to the real law then the internet would not exist or would I be able to follow photography as a hobby.

As I have already said, no image is stored on PC servers or in fact accessed via them, so PC cannot be held responsable for any linked content.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

What about people in the background who are either there and should be elsewhere or with someone they shoudn't be - could be open to dismissal or divorce? A police force was sued as the speeding photo sent to the house showed the driver with his mistress. The wife sued for divorce and the driver sued the police for providing the incriminating evidence. Most speeding photos are now taken showing the rear of the vehicle so that there is anomality for the driver/passenger(s).

 

[cris_408518]

Sorry Colin. But myth and probability springs to mind. I understand that more speeding shots from the front are the way things are going , not the other way!

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

What about people in the background who are either there and should be elsewhere or with someone they shoudn't be - could be open to dismissal or divorce? A police force was sued as the speeding photo sent to the house showed the driver with his mistress. The wife sued for divorce and the driver sued the police for providing the incriminating evidence. Most speeding photos are now taken showing the rear of the vehicle so that there is anomality for the driver/passenger(s).

Colin, you're digging a deeper hole - sighhhh!

Practical Caravan ARE NOT hosting the pics.

 

[sparkes]

Colin

I cannot see how the police where found guilty of any crime, if it was proved he was being dishonest then that is his problem not the taker of the picture.

How to private investigaters make a living if every husband can sue them for proving they are not faithful.

I think you have misunderstood what you are saying.

The only time the law can get involved in this type of thing is if I take a picture of you drinking a cup of coffee and then I try to use that picture for advertising without a model release. then it is only a civil action to claim lost earnings. nothing more.

http://www.sirimo.co.uk/media/UKPhotographersRights.pdfshows the other areas where a problem may occur, but nothing that will affect any link in any way

Steve

 

[Tina3]

Hi All

Really interested in this debate, for a while now we have had an "ambulance chaser" who works for the local paper and also a local website,lord knows how but he arrives sometimes before us and starts taking pictures of e.g. RTA'S. My picture and the pictures of victims,sometimes quite injured where then plastered all over the net, we were informed that as the picture was in a public place nothing could be done. Now, due to pressure alone, he at least has the decency to fuzz faces out, but one little old lady once got very distressed as she didnt want her daughter to come rushing back from holiday if she saw her in the paper!. Also I though that the main crux of the NHS was the right to confidentiality,breach of that is a sackable offence,as soon as we arrive at that scene surely the above rule applies,needless to say he's a w

 

[sparkes]

Tina

well there is one thing you can do, report him for harrasment. that way he can be prosicuted for harresment of you and the patients.

However, if he is stood on a street when taking the pictures he has a right to do so, but inside the hospital is NOT public space, so he would be breaking the law.

Now, if the hospital charged him for entry and did not state no pictures then he is again in his right to take pictures

Steve

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

We had one too Tina, the sick *&%$*"! He had a radio in his car and at home where he scanned the wavebands. Like you said, this one sometimes beat us too it. He made is money from selling the pics to the press. He used to work for the Ambulance Service but retired early, was useless at his job. He was an officer on our station and one day we had been on the go for 6 hours without a break when they RTS'd us. He was a stickler for cleaning Ambulances and was waiting for us to get back to station as usual to tell us to wash the vehicle. I was already wound up when we arrived and he insisted that we clean the vehicle before our break. After a lot of arguing I said " look H, I'm starving so theres the ambulance, theres the keys, now wash the **** yourself because I'm going home". I got a written warning for finishing duty early heheheh! He now serves injunctions on people, a kind of bailiff. A right plonker.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

We had one too Tina, the sick *&%$*"! He had a radio in his car and at home where he scanned the wavebands. Like you said, this one sometimes beat us too it. He made is money from selling the pics to the press. He used to work for the Ambulance Service but retired early, was useless at his job. He was an officer on our station and one day we had been on the go for 6 hours without a break when they RTS'd us. He was a stickler for cleaning Ambulances and was waiting for us to get back to station as usual to tell us to wash the vehicle. I was already wound up when we arrived and he insisted that we clean the vehicle before our break. After a lot of arguing I said " look H, I'm starving so theres the ambulance, theres the keys, now wash the **** yourself because I'm going home". I got a written warning for finishing duty early heheheh! He now serves injunctions on people, a kind of bailiff. A right plonker.

I was known as a bit of a rebel so when I had to finish early there were no tears from management heheh!

 

[Tina3]

Yes LB I'm the rebel of the crew and my mate is the "lie down and be walked on jobsworth " !!

 

[Tina3]

Yes LB I'm the rebel of the crew and my mate is the "lie down and be walked on jobsworth " !!

P.s I think I actually get the least hassle !!!!!!!!!

 

[Tina3]

Tina

well there is one thing you can do, report him for harrasment. that way he can be prosicuted for harresment of you and the patients.

However, if he is stood on a street when taking the pictures he has a right to do so, but inside the hospital is NOT public space, so he would be breaking the law.

Now, if the hospital charged him for entry and did not state no pictures then he is again in his right to take pictures

Steve

Thanks Steve, I work for The NHS therefore when I say "hello whats the problem" to a patient say that has fallen, then surely this person then falls into the NHS rule of confidentiality,wether on the street on on a ward in a hospital buliding .?? P.s Hows your leg ??

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Tina rather than be the rebel in the crew I would admire you for standing up for your rights but don't rock the boat without just cause. Management are very clever these days in finding the slightest reason for reprimand or dismissal. I can speak as a retired union rep. who has been in many a dispute with management and have taken a hell of a lot of flack over the years. My faculty manager was glad to see the back of me. PS for Lord B's information I was the only Tory union rep in the Vollege.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Tina rather than be the rebel in the crew I would admire you for standing up for your rights but don't rock the boat without just cause. Management are very clever these days in finding the slightest reason for reprimand or dismissal. I can speak as a retired union rep. who has been in many a dispute with management and have taken a hell of a lot of flack over the years. My faculty manager was glad to see the back of me. PS for Lord B's information I was the only Tory union rep in the Vollege.

Typing error yet again - right finger but wrong key, should read "College"

 

[BigRoy]

Tina rather than be the rebel in the crew I would admire you for standing up for your rights but don't rock the boat without just cause. Management are very clever these days in finding the slightest reason for reprimand or dismissal. I can speak as a retired union rep. who has been in many a dispute with management and have taken a hell of a lot of flack over the years. My faculty manager was glad to see the back of me. PS for Lord B's information I was the only Tory union rep in the Vollege.

You are right Colin, I was hand picked for redundancy last year for being a rebel (I prefer to call it standing up for my rights) after 20 years service, and there was nothing the union could do about it.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I never had my head in the clouds regarding promotion so had no need to suck up to management like some others. It was because of this I was the Shop Steward for quite a few years including the 89 Ambulance dispute. Our station was out for nearly 4 months without turning a wheel. Nothing to be proud of before the righteous jump on my back but for sometime we were carrying out 999s without pay. The public were supporting us so Kenneth Clarke then took over the handling of the dispute hoping to gain the publics confidence, what an as**** that man is. They removed the insurance cover off us to stop us from driving the ambulances so from then on we reported for duty, whatever shift we were on, and stayed on the picket line. We were receiving no pay by now (nearly 4 months without pay) and the public were marvelous. Not one member of staff lost one penny due to their donations. We had a daily delivery of free bread for our families. Mattell sent toys for those with kids. The local hotel sent staff with tureens of soup, rolls and sandwiches. The local chicken factory, Sun Valley, gave us chickens and turkeys and a local spud merchant gave us spuds. Some staff actually benefitted for example one of my colleagues, although receiving a full months pay from collections had his sons public school fees squashed for the duration of the dispute. I did get out of some picket duties because of meetings in Worcester or Birmingham. We also had days of action and were supported on the picket line by our colleagues in the Health Service, Fire Service, teachers, college lectures and others in public service. The police didnt support us too much though, they were too busy arguing over who had the most overtime escorting army ambulances. They made a fortune like they did during the miners strike, and that was from the horses mouth. Some police wouldnt work the overtime on principle though. Like all disputes there was a bit of nastiness after, especially to 3 staff in the county who worked. They didnt last long, either finished or transferred to another service. There was also bitterness to the likes of the Gwent and Powys Services who worked normally but were pleased to accept the monies we gained from our actions. All part of lifes experience. So as I said, management never shed tears to see the back of me ;O) nor me them. :O)

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Tina I used to work with a person who was also a rebel but she was very clever, she would make the bullets for others to fire. She's now the Area manager of the service here heheheh! We used to work in groups of 4 and swap around mates but just before I finished they changed it, you worked with a person 4 weeks then moved to the next one. Thankfully there was only one I couldnt get on with but neither could anyone else. Nice bloke off the job, in fact Im still in contact with him by email, but a pain out on the road.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Lord B. As a union rep I was on picket duty outside the College and actually talked the principle of the college not to cross the picket line. We did have a few colleagues who crossed but their life was made very miserable from there on in. Those who were not in the lecturing union ie admin staff, signed outside the college the time they arrived for work but would not cross. they received a normal day's pay and agreed to half it with the lecturers to help out for the loss of pay. It takes all sorts to make the world go round and also to support others in their time of need. So you see not all Tories are to be looked down on - you cannot class us all with the same tar brush.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Lord B. As a union rep I was on picket duty outside the College and actually talked the principle of the college not to cross the picket line. We did have a few colleagues who crossed but their life was made very miserable from there on in. Those who were not in the lecturing union ie admin staff, signed outside the college the time they arrived for work but would not cross. they received a normal day's pay and agreed to half it with the lecturers to help out for the loss of pay. It takes all sorts to make the world go round and also to support others in their time of need. So you see not all Tories are to be looked down on - you cannot class us all with the same tar brush.

It all comes down to your beliefs and principles Colin.

 

[AnnM1]

OK Colin don't place any of your pics on forum, but don't try dictating to everyone else. If there was any chance of problems I am sure Moddy would be on the case. Live and let live. Rant over, back to F1 viewing.

 

[Guest]

Colin,

Don't be too distressed. Once the novelty has worn off the 'children' will find another toy to play with. I do agree there are just only so many pictures of yeuchy dogs one can look at before feeling decidely faint. Of course, sooner or later someone will post a really 'good' picture that they will live to regret.

It is a bit like leather sofas, Once Xmas is over the desire will pass.

Be patient and ignore the 'chit-chat' forum to keep your sanity. Maybe there should be a government health warning??

 

[Brian-Bear_5094910]

I thought there would be a load of caravans and owners posted with pictures of wild madness at bbqs, and parties etc during the summer months. Agreed loads of dogs do appear a bit strange for a caravan forum, however I know for fact you are correct when the novelty wears of it will fine.