Please forgive me for I have sinned!!

[CliveV]

I do Ricky - and I can assure you that my LPG powered Discovery is cleaner and cheaper to run than most medium cars.

Let alone the superp 7 seater people carrier/tow truck that it is.

You use the term "Chelsea Tractor" as a term of abuse. But the tide is turning my friend.

The truth will always out

 

[Val & Frank]

Hi Ricky

Just wondering how you live your life. I can't see you driving to work, bet you don't catch a bus or train ????. Do you use electrical power in your house, or are you on a wood burning stove ?? These are not meant to be snide remarks I am just wondering how you live.My issue with politics is why have they not done anything about Global Warming.

Clean Burn Coal Technology is a major cause of concern, CFBs burn coal without the mass CO2 or SO3 emmissions. We don't have any, still you know all about that don't you????.That's why your in Brighton lobbying your MP, you will recognise him he's the one with the socks and sandals.

We are not patting each other on the back, what we are doing is forming a Social Group to defend what we believe to be, are our rights. You are trying to form an Anti-Social Group, because you believe WE are vandals. We are only a very minor part of the cause of Global Warming,Gas seeping from under the sea bed is a major cause. Oil companies seek new Production by scanning the sea for oil slicks that seep from beneath the seas naturaly. To just select a section of people because YOU think you have it right, is just asking for your whole debate to be meaningless and to fall into disrepute.

Val & Frank

 

[CliveV]

Damn well put Frank.

I would add that my particular hobby horse - cement production and the gross corporate vandalism that is allowed whereby anything and everything can be buldozed and re concreted at a truly VAST cost in CO2 production is totally ignorred by the polito's and these numpties that try to make out that the 4x4 is the route of all poluting evil.

Methane production from cows farts is one that perhaps we could have a deeper debate sometime!

 

[CliveV]

Whilst you are all slapping each other on the backs and being so smug about your "Chelsea tractors" it may pay you just to think a little bit about the pollution that you are generating

It would certainly pay you to read more into the subject than a "Ban the Urban 4x4" leaflet.

 

[Guest]

Whilst you are all slapping each other on the backs and being so smug about your "Chelsea tractors" it may pay you just to think a little bit about the pollution that you are generating

Thats it Ricky lob a spanner in the works and wreck the thread.

 

[CliveV]

Whilst you are all slapping each other on the backs and being so smug about your "Chelsea tractors" it may pay you just to think a little bit about the pollution that you are generating

Oh! let him have his little say Westy - poor thing does not get out much.

 

[Colinn]

You have nothing to apologise for Nicci, assuming that you have taught your kids to respect other people's privacy and property (ie keeping the footie game around your own caravan) and assuming that you keep your dog, dangerous or otherwise, under proper control. Oh, the Freelander, well it was made for towing, wasn't it - more good sense on your part. Sinner? Doesn't sound like it, but perhaps you know more than you're telling!!

 

[Nicci_5132668]

You have nothing to apologise for Nicci, assuming that you have taught your kids to respect other people's privacy and property (ie keeping the footie game around your own caravan) and assuming that you keep your dog, dangerous or otherwise, under proper control. Oh, the Freelander, well it was made for towing, wasn't it - more good sense on your part. Sinner? Doesn't sound like it, but perhaps you know more than you're telling!!

I definately know more than Im telling *L*

 

[Nicci_5132668]

Oh! let him have his little say Westy - poor thing does not get out much.

There is always one isnt there!

 

[TripHazard]

Nicci

Im afraid like you I love my caravan my 4 dogs and my two teenage kids and of course dont forget my large Kia Sorrento

Martin

 

[RichardS1]

Great post Nicci, like you it looks like I am a sinner with two kids, a dog and a 4x4. We just have to turn a blind eye to the opionated minority who think they are whiter than white.

 

[Nicci_5132668]

Its seems that there are a few of us sinners around here

Great too meet you all!

 

[Ewan_5130997]

Hi Nicci

I would also like to 'come out' so to speak. My wife and I are new to caravanning, but we have two daughters, one 13, one 9 (both going on 30) who love their bikes, skateboards, skates etc, and a 1 year old Llasso Apso, who loves to make her self heard if strangers approach and would lick anyone to death if they got close enough.

I dont, unfortunately, have a 4x4, but I do have a large Fiat Multipla. (or pope mobile) which seems to get the same amount of stick as a 4x4. But hey, we love it all so sod em!!!!

 

[GingerPete]

well i can top that, i have 3 teenagers , 1 loves football ,1 loves getting drunk ,1 loves to lay in bed half the day , we have 1 cocker spanial who loves to bark at any thing that moves,i drive a 2.9 diesal kia sedonna which has 7 seats but their is only 5 of us , i tow a large caravan fast,i like charcoal bbq,s , i subscribe to sky & sky sports & i pay extra for prem plus , i have a morgage,i am self employed, i live within the m25 & ....wait for it......i drive a white van...top that pal

 

[Nicci_5132668]

well i can top that, i have 3 teenagers , 1 loves football ,1 loves getting drunk ,1 loves to lay in bed half the day , we have 1 cocker spanial who loves to bark at any thing that moves,i drive a 2.9 diesal kia sedonna which has 7 seats but their is only 5 of us , i tow a large caravan fast,i like charcoal bbq,s , i subscribe to sky & sky sports & i pay extra for prem plus , i have a morgage,i am self employed, i live within the m25 & ....wait for it......i drive a white van...top that pal

Im surprised that they allowed you to become a member on this forum *L*

Hi! nice to meet u

 

[Steven_374224300]

Nicci

Im afraid like you I love my caravan my 4 dogs and my two teenage kids and of course dont forget my large Kia Sorrento

Martin

Quote from Ricky Lionheart;

"Whilst you are all slapping each other on the backs and being so smug about your "Chelsea tractors" it may pay you just to think a little bit about the pollution that you are generating"

My first post here. I would have hoped to have placed a more sedate post, but I have to respond to the 4x4 bashers.

I have a Range Rover. A 4.0 litre petrol gas-guzzler.

It is converted to run on LPG, which means it is as clean running as most (not all, but most) lean burn technology engine derived cars.

No horrid nasty particulates emanate from the exhaust, as in the case of diesel fueled vehicles. These are good for the environment, but not good to us humans (you see we can't have it both ways).

It is 11 years old. That means I am not using up all the earths valuable resources by purchasing a new car every two or three years.

It is not an electric propelled vehicle, which has been shipped to this land from some far eastern place of manufacture.

This would keep the Range Rover supplied with petrol for at least the first 10 years of its life. Incidentally, an electric propelled vehicle receives its energy by charging up its batteries from electricity, a fuel source that is a secondary energy source, generated by burning a fuel to generate another fuel.

It is the sole car in our family.

I bought it long before the latest fads to do with green issues, etc.

Ricky, what make and model of motor vehicle do you drive?

Can you honestly state that it causes no pollution at all! What about the processes during construction such as the plastics, steel, tyres, the list goes on and on.

I do not know of any motor vehicle on the road yet that does not pollute in some shape or form.

If you want to complain about my gas-guzzler, please go ahead.

As for the Range Rover, it is not a Chelsea Tractor, I live around 230 miles from Chelsea. It is a vehicle bought for the purpose it was built, to tow large heavy trailers (up to a weight of 3,500kg), during the course of my work. There are not so many vehicles around that can tow that weight legally.

It also doubles up as the family vehicle at weekend for pleasure trips, etc. And will soon be used for the first time for caravanning, having just purchased one.

No offence is intended with this post, but I just felt I had to place some relevant points across regarding 4x4's.

Regards,

Steven.

 

[gavin_5121842]

All that , and your Ginger too!!!

Life can't be any better than that.

 

[Ewan_5130997]

Hi Ginger Pete

Unfortunately I think I can top that (although no one will speak to me after I confess.)

Apart from the insecure llasso apso, I forgot to mention the neurotic rabbit, the 3 mortgages, the overdraft, the fact that I share my house with a wife, two daughters and female dog and rabbit. However, worst of all......for an occupation I wear a white cap and drive around in Volvo V70's and BMW's with strange blue and yellow markings which clash badly with the blue lights..........and I like caravans!!!!!!!!

 

[Ewan_5130997]

Funnny how this thread goes quiet when my profession is mentioned!!!!!!!!!!!!! honest, we are normal people.

 

[Val & Frank]

Hi Ewan,

We won't hold it against you. Our best friends, son in law is like you he drives very fast cars blue uniform, don't think he has a white cap though ?? Well never seen one lying around. He also has a caravan which they tow with a LR Disco so I bet he has been reading up on Towing Law !!!

Val & Frank

 

[Val & Frank]

After reading this thread I think we need to go back to confession,what we thought was normal practice, appears to be more sins to confess to. Hope the old padre has a lot of time.

Val & Frank

 

[gavin_5121842]

Hi Ewen,

driving from Inverness to Aberdeen on Monday morning. Any speed cameras i should look out for?? lol,

Gavin.

 

[Ewan_5130997]

Hi Gavin

Sorry, not my area.........I'm more of a lowlander! However I trained with a few guys from your neck of the woods.....what kind of car will you be driving and I will ask them to give you some special attention....LOL

 

[TripHazard]

Funnny how this thread goes quiet when my profession is mentioned!!!!!!!!!!!!! honest, we are normal people.

Ewan

I love your profession in fact i'd go so far as to say without your profession mine wouldnt exist. You keep liftin em mate and I'll keep locking em up

Martin

 

[TripHazard]

Gavin

As long as its not red or any other colour on a snooker table your ok I think lol

I hear the traffic lads like a game of snooker when there bored

Martin