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I say bring it on and hopefully it will make the job of catching perpetrators a lot easier. It should have been introduced years ago! If you have done nothing wrong, then there is nothing to fear.
I guess Timothy Evans and Derek Bentley might not wholeheartedly agree such a view, and some affected by the Hillsborough Tragedy too, amongst the many miscarriage of justices listed in Wikipedia. Dont misunderstand me I support active policing but sufficient controls have to be available to ensure such systems are not abused. Those controls will be via internal procedures and audit, plus external audit, just as we have applied to the Intelligence Services.
 
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I guess Timothy Evans and Derek Bentley might not wholeheartedly agree such a view, and some affected by the Hillsborough Tragedy too, amongst the many miscarriage of justices listed in Wikipedia. Dont misunderstand me I support active policing but sufficient controls have to be available to ensure such systems are not abused. Those controls will be via internal procedures and audit, plus external audit, just as we have applied to the Intelligence Services.
That's why we have multiple levels in our justice system - the police investigate, CPS decide whether to prosecute, the courts hear both defence and prosecution arguments, the Appeal Court and Supreme Court sit above the ordinary courts and deal with wrongful conviction.

Despite all that mistakes are made, no system will ever be perfect - we should though be grateful we don't live under some regimes where justice is arbitrary and the death penalty used for minor crimes.
 
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That's why we have multiple levels in our justice system - the police investigate, CPS decide whether to prosecute, the courts hear both defence and prosecution arguments, the Appeal Court and Supreme Court sit above the ordinary courts and deal with wrongful conviction.

Despite all that mistakes are made, no system will ever be perfect - we should though be grateful we don't live under some regimes where justice is arbitrary and the death penalty used for minor crimes.
The fundament pillars of our justice system are the professionalism and integrity, of the police in investigating the crime, and the role of the CPS in providing advice to the police during their investigations, deciding if criminal charges can be brought, then prosecuting the case. There will be miscarriages of justice even at the lowers levels of criminal matters, many go no further than the magistrates courts, where appeals can be costly and lengthy to a defendant, hence I doubt they are pursued. Once you get into the higher reaches of our legal system the costs of an appeal are beyond most defendants reach, although some will be supported by charities in the more headline cases.

Hence my emphasis that the professionalism and integrity of the police is paramount in securing justice.
 
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I must admit, I had assumed the police already had access to the DVLA data including photographs, so the new provisions makes no practical difference to me. I too believe we should all carry some form of ID which is biometrically linked to us, so when a medical issue arises the hospitals anywhere in country can access our records to assist with diagnostics and treatment.
And before the civil liberties groups get on their high horses, we already have so many occasions now when we have to verify who we are to access services, it's hardly going to infringe any more of our rights.
 
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... when a medical issue arises the hospitals anywhere in country can access our records to assist with diagnostics and treatment.
That's a very slow process which will take a couple of generations to complete at their present rate of progress - there are big practical limitations on the ability of NHS Trusts to transfer patient data to other NHS Trusts.

Most NHS Trusts are groups of hospitals with disimilar IT systems but a lot of work has been done by each Trust to get all hospitals in that Trust able to pass patient data between them but little work has been done to date to get different Trusts to pass data between Trusts.

Living in South-East Staffordshire, our medical facilities are provided by 6 different NHS Trusts, depending on specialisation needed - but they can't even do simple things like pass patient blood test results from one Trust to another - when this is needed, we have to get the results printed out at the GPs and take it to the hospital, or drive to that hospital and get a new blood test done there.

It doesn't help that all NHS Trusts are concentrating specialist departments at specific hospitals within their group - sometimes meaning 40 mile trip each way even in an urban area like the Midlands.
 
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I must admit, I had assumed the police already had access to the DVLA data including photographs, so the new provisions makes no practical difference to me. I too believe we should all carry some form of ID which is biometrically linked to us, so when a medical issue arises the hospitals anywhere in country can access our records to assist with diagnostics and treatment.
I also thought this was the case, but sadly it doesn't appear to be so where we are (North West Leicestershire). We lost a friend a few months back, she was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given 12 to 18 months to live. During a biopsy on her lung she contracted sepsis, this was at Burton on Trent hospital, her cancer care was at Leicester, part of this care was that if she needed emergency hospital treatment she had to go back to Leicester. The sepsis was not diagnosed by Burton, they told her to take antihistamines as they thought it was an allergic reaction and sent her home. She was rushed back into hospital and her husband told the ambulance staff about her needing to go to Leicester, but they refused saying that their instructions were to take her to the nearest place. He told them about her records at Leicester dictating that she must go to Leicester and it was then that he was told that they cannot access a patients records from other hospitals.

She died 3 weeks later and her husband is convinced that the messing around was instrumental in her early demise. The doctor at Leicester shook his head in disbelief that she had gone to Burton and he also admitted that what is on "their" records at Leicester can be missed elsewehere.
 
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That's a very slow process which will take a couple of generations to complete at their present rate of progress - there are big practical limitations on the ability of NHS Trusts to transfer patient data to other NHS Trusts.

Most NHS Trusts are groups of hospitals with disimilar IT systems but a lot of work has been done by each Trust to get all hospitals in that Trust able to pass patient data between them but little work has been done to date to get different Trusts to pass data between Trusts.

Living in South-East Staffordshire, our medical facilities are provided by 6 different NHS Trusts, depending on specialisation needed - but they can't even do simple things like pass patient blood test results from one Trust to another - when this is needed, we have to get the results printed out at the GPs and take it to the hospital, or drive to that hospital and get a new blood test done there.

It doesn't help that all NHS Trusts are concentrating specialist departments at specific hospitals within their group - sometimes meaning 40 mile trip each way even in an urban area like the Midlands.
It is a simple matter for your blood group to be added to your driving licence probably in the form of a code. My blood group was in my South African ID document along with driving licence etc. If they can manage to do it in SA, surely they can manage to do it in the UK?
 
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As with the previous replies, We live in the West midlands but my wife has specialist needs which can only be catered for in 5 different neighboring trusts.

I have friends who live just west of Lichfield in Staffordshire, and whilst Cannock, Walsall, Wolverhampton and even Stafford Hospitals would be much nearer and quicker and easier to get to, their outpatient unit is at Burton on Trent about 20 miles away and many specialisms especially Cancer are at Derby some 38 miles away.

Sorry this is drifting off topic.
 
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It is a simple matter for your blood group to be added to your driving licence probably in the form of a code. My blood group was in my South African ID document along with driving licence etc. If they can manage to do it in SA, surely they can manage to do it in the UK?
Blood tests involve a lot more than blood group - in practice emergency blood is given using blood plasma which is suitable for all groups so no big deal (in the UK) that blood group isn't known initially.
 
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Do nothing wrong and there is nothing to fear from such abilities. It's only those with "something to hide" who have anything to fear from it.
Police have been able to check driving licence details via radio at the roadside, but ONLY to check for a disqualification etc. It required a form submission (DQ1) to DVLA to obtain a hard copy of driver history such as endorsements. It may well have changed since I left in 2005!
Yes it has changed - all driver licence details can be confirmed at roadside. DQ1 is probably obsolete I would think
 
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As with the previous replies, We live in the West midlands but my wife has specialist needs which can only be catered for in 5 different neighboring trusts.

I have friends who live just west of Lichfield in Staffordshire, and whilst Cannock, Walsall, Wolverhampton and even Stafford Hospitals would be much nearer and quicker and easier to get to, their outpatient unit is at Burton on Trent about 20 miles away and many specialisms especially Cancer are at Derby some 38 miles away.

Sorry this is drifting off topic.
Not at all! My wife has been an inpatient for 17 days in Wiltshire. Fortunately our GPs are Wiltshire and the computers talk. I believe they also talk to Oxford and Bristol. Elsewhere is a lottery. Circa 2012 Andrew Lansley took a dislike to some of the previous Trusts and set up the NHS Trust Development Authority. The wheel was reinvented, job for the boys and suddenly centralised purchasing disappeared different computer systems, the rest is history and hurting all of us. So with you guys and your wife’s problems you have my greatest concern and sympathy.
 
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Don't even need most of them as many modern phones have ICE* - In Case of Emergency - which can be accessed even if the phone access is locked (*or it can be downloaded.) It is routine if there is no other reference present for Ambulance crew to check a phone for ICE.
 
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Don't even need most of them as many modern phones have ICE* - In Case of Emergency - which can be accessed even if the phone access is locked (*or it can be downloaded.) It is routine if there is no other reference present for Ambulance crew to check a phone for ICE.
I’ve put all my details onto the phone, including meds. My Onlelifeid.com ID wrist strap has a PIN on the reverse side that allows access to my details as recorded on the Onelife website, and on the visible side there are six lines of laser printed information, (name, DoB, allergies yes/no, key medication if any, emergency contacts two)

 
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