Politics and Religion

[Parksy]

From you post Steve I think you are missing out the success of the forum.

People here think they are amongst like minded people with a vast array of experience so they ask questions on a wide range of subjects. Some people meet in the pub after work and ask general questions to gain advice, some also air there views over matters in the news that concern them.

PC have created a meeting place with the forum the same as people meeting on a caravan site.

Apologies Sadie, I posted my latest before I saw your post.

The forum is indeed successful in the way that you have described.

If we continue with the pub analogy let us suppose that the reasonable and fairly friendly exchange of ideas and airing of views turned to shall we say, a more contentious subject.

Imagine if you will one table where a fairly raucous few were loudly denouncing single parents just for examples sake.

Let us suppose that in that particular pub there was a meeting of the local Gingerbread group taking place on adjacent tables.

The raucous denunciation of single parents started to cause the Gingerbread members to drift away, to take their custom elsewhere perhaps never to return.

Does one suppose that the barman on duty would

A) Ignore the loss of increasing members of the Gingerbread group

B) Ignore the cause of this loss, namely the raucous smaller group and allow them to continue with their denunciation

C)Ask the raucous group to stop causing valuable custom to be lost and to take their discussion elsewhere or change the subject

Note that the hardworking, loyal and surprisingly youthful looking bar steward ;0) never actually threw anybody out.

He didn't tell the raucous few to never speak, just to be more careful about what subjects they chose

 

[Parksy]

That's the trouble Euro

Some don't like the views expressed and they are walking away or moving on.

Do you really honestly and truly believe that this forum should appear to champion any particular political party?

Do you believe that nobody who owns a caravan is in receipt of state benefits? That they would like to be part of a forum where benefit claimants are all regarded as scroungers?

Do you imagine that all members and readers of this forum believe that travellers should be wiped out through genocide?

I'm sure that one or two among us hold extreme views or at least fairly robust views.

Whenever these views appear on this forum lines are inevitably crossed. It's as though nobody knows when to stop.

I'm calling a halt, as already repeated ad infinitum this forum is not the place for such views.

This is starting to become really silly now.

Read the thread and understand it, post subject matter such as I've tried my best to describe if you want to.

You will waste your time because it will be deleted as soon as it is seen by moderators

 

[Guest]

Well I'm walking away Parksy. But we're off on a trip for a few weeks.

As for your questions, well I come from the wrong earning bracket according to some, drive the wrong cars and support the wrong politics.

I'm also and immigrant, but I've always accepted that I'm an outsider wherever we've lived and that I could be kicked out at any time.

Respect Steve.

I'm not sure if the forum allows me to wish you a Happy Christmas any more under the forums new rules

But have a good whatever you may have on your benefits, small fortune, in your Hobby or in your asylum or immigration centre or wherever your abode is.

Thanks for the new guidleines upsdate and I hope that's PC enough for PC Forum ;0)

 

[Gumbo]

One question how do you measure the sucess of a forum ??. The number of hits on a particular subject ?? because if that is the case I would like to bet chit chit for non caravn issues has the most hits. You seem to be missing a point on advertising which is what this is all about. The forum is supplied for people to use and interact, if it wasn't why provide it?? Both clubs which the majority of caravanner belong to as members give access to the highest level of technical advice available. PC is a commercial for profit magazine and I am sure the people popping into a forum really only do it for the chat, but at the same time may read an advert !!!

Steve are working towards the withdrawal of the forum, because your views are different to some others, as far as I can remember you have pushed your own agenda through being a moderator for quite a while now. That's why you may have become one in the first place!! The question being if you are so fed up and in so much disagreement why did you not just pack it in ???

Don't view this as an attack on yourself it's just trying to understand what is happening to art of debate. If you care to look at the voting ratio across the UK left right and centre you will see that millions of us disagree with each other.

 

[Soozeeg]

One question how do you measure the sucess of a forum ??. The number of hits on a particular subject ?? because if that is the case I would like to bet chit chit for non caravn issues has the most hits. You seem to be missing a point on advertising which is what this is all about. The forum is supplied for people to use and interact, if it wasn't why provide it?? Both clubs which the majority of caravanner belong to as members give access to the highest level of technical advice available. PC is a commercial for profit magazine and I am sure the people popping into a forum really only do it for the chat, but at the same time may read an advert !!!

Steve are working towards the withdrawal of the forum, because your views are different to some others, as far as I can remember you have pushed your own agenda through being a moderator for quite a while now. That's why you may have become one in the first place!! The question being if you are so fed up and in so much disagreement why did you not just pack it in ???

Don't view this as an attack on yourself it's just trying to understand what is happening to art of debate. If you care to look at the voting ratio across the UK left right and centre you will see that millions of us disagree with each other.

Gumbo said:-

"as far as I can remember you have pushed your own agenda through being a moderator for quite a while now. That's why you may have become one in the first place!!

Don't view this as an attack on yourself"

How else can it be viewed?

My husband and I know Parksy (and his OH) very well, and you couldn't be further from the truth, Frank!

Parksy (or indeed the other mods) isn't stopping anyone from having a healthy debate with differing but friendly views. He's merely trying to stop the vindictiveness, personal attacks, sweeping generalised racism, etc. that's been going on here recently.

Seems to me that most of you who are so loud in your protests are choosing to ignore that fact and merely taking the opportunity to have a go at him for the sake of it. Or maybe you just like arguing.

 

[Soozeeg]

Gumbo said:-

"as far as I can remember you have pushed your own agenda through being a moderator for quite a while now. That's why you may have become one in the first place!!

Don't view this as an attack on yourself"

How else can it be viewed?

My husband and I know Parksy (and his OH) very well, and you couldn't be further from the truth, Frank!

Parksy (or indeed the other mods) isn't stopping anyone from having a healthy debate with differing but friendly views. He's merely trying to stop the vindictiveness, personal attacks, sweeping generalised racism, etc. that's been going on here recently.

Seems to me that most of you who are so loud in your protests are choosing to ignore that fact and merely taking the opportunity to have a go at him for the sake of it. Or maybe you just like arguing.

 

[Parksy]

I'm saddened that you believe that I've pushed my own agenda or become a moderator to do so.

When the magazine starts to print articles on the BNP, benefit fraud, teachers working conditions etc I'm sure that we will be able to allow these topics so dear to your heart to be given a thorough airing on this forum.

Given your perception of me there is no point in me taking any further part in this discussion.

I've given the email address, any further points should be addressed to Haymarket Publishing

 

[Legsmaniac_374344731]

Post Deleted

Personal attacks are not allowed under the rules of this forum

Parksy (Moderator)

 

[Dustydog]

Well done Parksy!

You've had the courage of your convictions not to remove this entire thread.

I've read it again this morning and it reminded me of "Till death us do part" Alf Garnett arguing with his SIL. So yes I've had a good laugh.

Poor Parksy , who is retired, very kindly , voluntarily, offers to moderate this site. I genuinely believe he and the other Mods have been extremely tolerant with all of us.

I am certain a Haymarket employed Moderator would not indulge us as much as Parksy & Co have.

Voluntary work is hard with little or no reward.

Maybe some of us should have a go at being a Mod and see how it really is.

The Croc idiot hasn't helped either and Parksy has spent hours of his own time trying to resolve the issue.

Cheers

Dustydog with poo bag in hand

 

[Damian]

Right, I have been watching this topic progress and firstly may I make it very very clear that it is NOT just Parksy who is determining what goes and what stays on the forum.

I have tried to stay out of the debate because I did not wanht it to be seen that we, the Mods, were "ganging up" on forum users.

However, it has now become the case that users, some at least see this as one persons crusade, which it patantly is not.

I have been moderating on the forum for over 5 years now, it was just Ken and I at one time, and the forum was degenerating into the same kind of situation we again find ourselves in.

I came in for more than enough bad mouthing from some forum users, but eventually it became a place of sensible topic and sensible debate about CARAVAN related issues.

The days of posting potentially aggravating topics or those which have been dragged into slanging matches is over.

Topics which start with attacks or inferences which will draw the worst out of posters will be removed, there will be no expalanation or reason given.

I have spent a good while looking at other caravan relate dweb sites and can find no comparison to what is happening her, or would want to be happening if some users get their way.

It is NOT going back to the early days.

For those who want to debate Politics , Religion, Ethnics etc , go and find a site which will allow you to do so, do NOT try it here any more.

I personally do not let my prejudices or political view come into Moderating decisions, and with the requirements of the Publisher will do what is necessary to keep this forum in the way it is wanted.

It is a public, family forum with no room for trouble makers, those who resort to foul language or simply set up arguments for the sake of it.

There i sno more to be said on the subject apart from if any more postings are made in this topic which are personal insults or attacks this topic will go the same way as other problem topics........deleted.

This topic is now closed

 

[colin-yorkshire]

hi parksy and other members of this forum.

without any tongue in cheek type jokes lets cut to the chase and put the cards face up, I support the mods all of them and haymarket admin for taking a stand against some of the extreem views posted on this forum, even though I understand where some of these views come from I don't believe a caravan forum is the right media to air them.

I for myself am quite happy to abide by the new rules as long as all other members do the same, my personal views are well known and "to use a metaphor" are different to say euro's as the black and white bits of a photo negative. that is not to say either point of view is 100% right or wrong but without both being aired the final photo comes out blurred and is the reason I usually respond to such posts.

parksy is right in essence and it is better that the "photo" was never taken so as to not waste film, yes it may mean the forum goes a bit quiet from time to time and some members who only seem to post in general and chit chat with some new revelation may no longer bother to post if it is cut as soon as it appeares with the sword of deletion. as maggie once said "it is a price worth paying" and the forum will be better in the long run for it.

to be honest I do tire of it and to use another "metaphor" sometimes feel like a man united supporter in a pub full of city fans with the only option being to go to a more neutral pub, something I suspect does happen both with old and new members alike so it is much better if the football was taken out of the pub alltogther.

colin.

 

[colin-yorkshire]

hi damian

sorry if my last post conradicts your topic is closed statment but I was still writing it if you look at the post times I hope you don't delete it as I meant every word.

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Let us all bury the hatchet and return to the good old days of friendship and cordiality. There are enough problems in the country/world without us creating more on here. Life is too short to make enemies even though we may all have different opinions - lets agree on times to be different but not create any bad feelings to our fellow/lady contributers.

 

[LMH]

Group hug, group hug.

Lisa

 

[Gumbo]

Your brave Lisa hugging some of the bears in here lol

 

[LMH]

Bears hold no fear for me. LOL!!

Lisa

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Yogi or Rupert - that is the question