Propane to Patio gas adapter?

[Kiwimike]

We have a 1990 Cotswold, and the lockers are too small for Gaslight cylinders so we're stuck with 6kg Propane.

We have a BBQ and a Pizza oven that run off the 27mm Gaslight connector. I'd rather not carry a 5kg Gaslight cylinder just to run the BBQ / Pizza oven - so is there an adapter I can screw onto the Propane bottle, that then presents a 27mm interface that I can clip onto?

And then, can I fit a 27mm regulator to the caravan?

So the act of fitting / removing bottles is much faster than having to unscrew / rescrew everything twice just to make a pizza

There are adapters the other way round - female 27mm to threaded - https://www.gaslowdirect.com/product/gaslow-27mm-clip-on-gas-cylinder-adapter-01-1673-t/

Thanks, I feel I'm about to get schooled on gas safety and why this is a dumb idea

 

[ProfJohnL]

THe first thing you need to check is if the BBQ is approved for use with Propane gas. The data plate on the BBQ should tell you the types gas and pressures it can be used with.

The second thing to check is what regulator (and its pressure rating) is already fitted to the caravan.

Armed with that information we might be able to suggest a solution.

 

[JTQ]

Not to my knowledge.
It will start to be a multi joint assembly on the high pressure side which is never good news and you ought not do it. Gas servicing engineers would have something to say, and I expect refuse to touch it. Your insurers could also be concerned.
Why not change the BBQ's connection to suit a POL as the propane? (*)
Then use a soft nosed, handwheel type of POL connection, that also uses little effort changing cylinders.
Edit: as the Prof so correctly states you have to ensure the working pressures match.

* For example only LINK

 

[Kiwimike]

THe first thing you need to check is if the BBQ is approved for use with Propane gas. The data plate on the BBQ should tell you the types gas and pressures it can be used with.

The second thing to check is what regulator (and its pressure rating) is already fitted to the caravan.

Armed with that information we might be able to suggest a solution.

It's a Beaulaire BBQ, the plate says Propane 37mbar and it works fine with the 27mm Propane 37mbar regulator I fitted to it.

The caravan regulator is also Propane, and the 1990-era appliances list 37mbar as working pressure. So I obviously plan to change that for a 27mm one - if I can find an adapter

 

[JTQ]

I struggle to se why, I would replace the BBQ's regulator with as said a soft nosed handwheeled POL one. Its going to be the cheaper as well as way less hassle route than getting someone to manufacture, or supply a 27MM clip-on male adaptor with its integrated gas valve. That's before, if in Europe, you take into account what we are permitted to do. If in NZ then I have zero idea of what is allowed.

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[ProfJohnL]

I's and early hadn't picked up on Kiwimike's location, Are you in NZ or the UK?

I'm sorry but I am not familiar with the details of NZ regulations or the fittings, you should consult local gas engineers who are familiar with them.

 

[Kiwimike]

I's and early hadn't picked up on Kiwimike's location, Are you in NZ or the UK?

I'm sorry but I am not familiar with the details of NZ regulations or the fittings, you should consult local gas engineers who are familiar with them.

UK. Maybe that’s why there isn’t the adapter I’m after - because the bottle-side 27mm includes some sort of valve?

And I want this because even with the big plastic wheel, screwing/unscrewing each time will get old.

 

[Firkle]

Have you thought about having a BBQ gas outlet fitted to the caravan and then fit the relevant Bayonet connectors on the gas pipes to the BBQ and Piza oven. Simple to use and no mods to the van regulator

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[ProfJohnL]

Ok. So your in the UK.

The Gaslight cylinders are filled with Propane, so you don't have to be concerned with different gas types being used on the same system.

Unfortunately I have not found a 27mm adaptor, or an inline adaptor to present a 27mm post that can be used with your present fittings on the BBQ/Oven, so as far as I can tell there isn't a simple solution, other than taking a Gaslight cylinder with you.

The next simplest is JTQ's suggestion of fitting a POL connector to the flexible hoses on your BBQ/Oven. You must already have the 37mBar regulator set up. As you are taking two 6kg cylinders with you you would likely only need to connect the BBQ system once at the start of your stay.

Alternatively Firkles suggestion have considerable merit by using proven technology to get gas to your devices. It would come from the Caravan installation pipework which is already regulated by the caravans regulator.

 

[Hutch]

I have for my gas BBQ, (sorry Cadac, ) a quick release coupling, QR Coupling
So that I can fit either a Screw on POL pressure regulator, or a 21mm pressure regulator Calor butane . For when I use them in the garden.
The pressure regulators are fitted to the orange Flexi pipes onto the QR fittings.
I can also fit one from a QR fitting straight to the caravan BBQ out let.

27 mm reg and connector


27mm connector and reg.

 

[IanB1485]

I follow with interest these conversations about adapting gas fittings.I just hope the people doing this have the equipment to fully test the system once modified for leaks and performance. The consequences can be catastrophic , this was in Lossiemouth on 14th July, the owner was airlifted to hospital.

 

[otherclive]

I have for my gas BBQ, (sorry Cadac, ) a quick release coupling, QR Coupling
So that I can fit either a Screw on POL pressure regulator, or a 21mm pressure regulator Calor butane . For when I use them in the garden.
The pressure regulators are fitted to the orange Flexi pipes onto the QR fittings.
I can also fit one from a QR fitting straight to the caravan BBQ out let.

27 mm reg and connector


View attachment 9388View attachment 938927mm connector and reg.

I do exactly the same as Hutch using QR couplings each with its own length of hose and regulator to fit whatever type of gas and bottle type I’m using with my CADAC. I can vary between Calor Patio gas, standard propane or CampingGaz 907 cylinder.

 

[Hutch]

I do exactly the same as Hutch using QR couplings each with its own length of hose and regulator to fit whatever type of gas and bottle type I’m using with my CADAC. I can vary between Calor Patio gas, standard propane or CampingGaz 907 cylinder.

I also have one for the Cadac using the Camping Gaz 907, but it is really showing off as the refill costs so much.

 

[otherclive]

I also have one for the Cadac using the Camping Gaz 907, but it is really showing off as the refill costs so much.

Perhaps getting a loan for the refill could be a possible option 🙈

 

[otherclive]

Here is a photo of my QR coupling fitted to a hose connected to a Type 794 screw in regulator for a refillable Campingaz cylinder. The kit when not in use is kept wrapped to keep buggies out.

 

[ProfJohnL]

Perhaps getting a loan for the refill could be a possible option 🙈

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