Reich water pumps

May 21, 2008
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We had a problem with lack of flow of water in the shower the other day and I established by timing the lenght of time required to fill a 10 litre can, that the pump was only putting out 7 litres per min of flow rate.

So off we toddled 35 miles to towsure at Halesowen. There I found a reich submersable pump 18 Ltr flow rate for £24-95 which I thought was a good deal.

On fitting the pump which is an easy job only needing a screw driver and pliers, I thought the flow was dissapointing. So again I put the can under the kitchen tap and got the stop watch out on my mobile phone. Sure enough we have only 4 Litres per min flow. So thinking it was my dopy wiring I reversed the polarity and that got no flow, so for once I did get brown in the right place. Just kidding, I am an electrician so I had noted where the old wires were and put the new back the same, but one has to try the obvious before stompping up and down!

So out came the phone and a call to Towsure. So the upshot is , today I have to do a 70 mile round trip to exchange the pump for another one.

Having done my homework on tinternet, I seem to be on the right track flow wise as 18-20 litres/min seems to be max standard for submersible dunk in the barrel pumps. But I wonder if Reich test theirs at ground level or at a water head height of 2.5 Mtrs where the showerhead lies in the van. I checked the pump at average height (sink level), so would expect a good rate of flow.

Has anyone had simlar problems or maybe can shed light on what the standard is for caravan pump flow testing?
 

JTQ

May 7, 2005
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From their data sheet,link below, I would expect it to give 18 litre per minute at zero head and 9 metres head at zero flow.

Before you rush off, check its flow away from the caravan with as close to zero head as possible. A free flowing very short pipe from one bucket to another, both at the same level.

Just drawing out a typical centrifugal pump curve for this data indicates the pump ought to give a flow of about 14 litres at a total head of 2.5 metres. However there are much greater dynamic head losses to add to this static head for your systems resistance. Such as loses from the pipework, non-return valve, shower mixer, and shower head. This total head forcing the flow progressively lower.

As you have two pumps failing your expectations this points to the problem being the vans system being too "restrictive", or simply your expectation being unrealistic. A good domestic shower ought to be 5-6 litre per minute [excluding modern super showers which can be as high as 15 L/min]. See second link for shower flow table.

The water flow of a caravan shower in my experience always falls well short of a domestic one, so I would expect to achieve about 3 litres per minute at the very best.

You probably cant address the resistance of your vans system and so my thoughts are changing to a "positive displacement" pump is the simplest way to go if the flow must be improved. The diaphragm type normally fitted inboard being the most easily available. However your target must still be a realistic one.

http://rk-reich.com/product_info.php?info=p188_Submersible-pump--18-L-min-.html&XTCsid=67b57b13af8b7c3e9683bc5a5547852e
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/drought/38531.aspx
 
May 21, 2008
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Thanks for the info JTQ.

Looked at the web links you sent. Interesting to see that Reich don't actually provide a data sheet for pump performance.

A little disapointing that pump flow rate is at zero head height, especially as the shower head height is likely to be 2.5 mtrs or so above the pump in the bottom of the barrel.

I have got an exchange pump from Towsure who were very amicable about replacing it. This pump does deliver a lot more flow and does give 18Ltrs/min at bucket to bucket level so to speak.

I have also replaced the twin pipe between the pump and plug which was old, hard and kinked.

The flow looks to be better and realistic for a 12v pumped system.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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A great answer from JTQ

Steve,

Most pump manufacturers do have a pump performance chart/graph, but it is in practice not very helpful, because the chart will use ideal conditions (i.e shortest pipe run from pump to specified head height, and low resistance pipe work (large diameter). there is no specific test regime or standard for caravan showers

The real systems in caravans will have very little in common with test specifications. As JTQ points out the length of pipework, bends and other restrictions will definitely impede the flow.

I have to say that 7l/m at a caravan shower head is actually a very healthy flow, 3 to 4 being more common.
 
May 21, 2008
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To update you on the situation.

I have returned the second Reich pump to Towsure, who without quibble refunded me the cost. So a big thank you to Towsure for being so good.

I have now forked out
 

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