servicing (P.I.R reports)

[Jim_374473646]

There is effectively more protection from the 16th edition installation though as the 30mA trip was shared between the 3 outlets, with the 17th edition the 30mA is for each individual caravan.

Jim

 

[dougie_374468830]

George

I agree the course isnt long enough, but i did find it interesting and learned a lot from it. Out instructor Ron Hoggarth apparently sits on the commitee that write the 17th edition and acts as an expert witness in court.

Who is in the wrong? The people who create the various Acts or the caravan manufacturers and dealers who think they are above the law eg 12v 230v segragation, and carry on regardless.

I will continue to offer customers the pir report and let them decide whether to sign the disclaimer or not.

One upside to all this is my public liability premium has come down by around 70% due to having pir and acops certificates

 

[CreatureComforts]

Deli Dave wrote:

No wonder the country is going down the crapper,you'll have to have a certificate to knock a nail in soon⇦br/>

And not before time! - it's nothing short of a national scandal that untrained people are allowed to buy hammers, and even more shocking that they are allowed to use them without proper training and certification.

A 'Hammering Certificate' should only be issued after successful completion of a written and practical test, during which would-be hammerers are assessed to determine their knowledge of all the practical and theoretical issues connected with safe hammering.

You'd be surprised how many people simply don't even realise that a 'hammer' is even necessary! - untrained people routinely attempt to drive nails into timber and concrete surfaces using a variety of unsuitable implements, from ceramic table lamps (which usually shatter, resulting in dangerously sharp shards of pottery) to frozen pizza's (which just thaw out and fall apart, presenting a slip-hazard to anyone in the vicinity.

Those basic errors don't even take into account the need for specialist training in such areas as 'hammer selection', hammer holding', 'assessing the correct arc for impact delivery', 'care and maintenance of the hammer', and the dozens of other vital safety-related points that would (and should) be covered on an approved course.

It's easy to sneer at this sort of regulation - but Britain didn't win two world wars by simply allowing untrained people to hammer away, willy-nilly, whenever they choose to!

 

[GeorgeNeil]

George

I agree the course isnt long enough, but i did find it interesting and learned a lot from it. Out instructor Ron Hoggarth apparently sits on the commitee that write the 17th edition and acts as an expert witness in court.

Who is in the wrong? The people who create the various Acts or the caravan manufacturers and dealers who think they are above the law eg 12v 230v segragation, and carry on regardless.

I will continue to offer customers the pir report and let them decide whether to sign the disclaimer or not.

One upside to all this is my public liability premium has come down by around 70% due to having pir and acops certificates

Dougie

I am in contact with a caravan engineer who has also done the CITO course and as it is a public forum I can not post his comment on it. With regard to the instructors professional ability I would be surprised if he was on the 17th edition committee as the course documentation has so many failings and errors i.e. no mention of IEE guidance notes, and just because he acts as an expert witness does not necessarily prove his qualification

As for testing frequency they are recommendations and not law.

This NCC / CITO course in my opinion whilst trying to promote safety it also appears to provide a revenue stream by increasing servicing costs by frightening the less informed customer