Could today's speeders who disregard the law, be the same people that were allowed to disregard the law when they cycled without due care etc....
Well I will admit to sometimes speeding when solo, when I consider it safe to do so and that's not anywhere where the speed limit is below 60 as rule and I am not going to get into a row about that with anyone. I certainly wouldn't speed in built up/residential areas and to the annoyance of some will slow down to much less than the limit when passing a school when kids are liable to be about or other areas busy with pedestrians.
As for site limits why wouldn't you obey a) you are on holiday RELAX and b) at most you are going to do a few hundred yards how much time can you possibly save a few minutes?
As for site limits why wouldn't you obey a) you are on holiday RELAX and b) at most you are going to do a few hundred yards how much time can you possibly save a few minutes?
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I'm. It going to get into the wider issues as expanded by Prof, but I would suggest that those who exceed the site speed limit don't do it deliberately. The wide roads and open vistas combined with a lack of attention to their speedometer are the principal cause. On public highways you rarely if ever get such a low speed limit applied as on caravan sites. The most common public highway low limit is 20 mph. The speeders just don't know how low a site limit really is, so they slow down to what they think is the limit, but are way above it. We require signs "Look at speedo stupid" or LASS. That came from one of my police instructors as I was often above the limit when going into lower posted limits.
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I recall that in the Republic of Ireland some years ago, there were road painted markings stating "SLOW" followed by "SLOWER PLEASE" a short distance further on.
It was noticed that said markings were not being observed, and some suggested a third road marking should state, "CAN YOU NOT B****Y READ".
A government think tank considered the proposal, but accepted the obvious conclusion regarding literacy and the general disregard by many
hmy:
What's changed, anywhere or in any country for that matter, we will always have bampots :dry:
It was noticed that said markings were not being observed, and some suggested a third road marking should state, "CAN YOU NOT B****Y READ".
A government think tank considered the proposal, but accepted the obvious conclusion regarding literacy and the general disregard by many
hmy:What's changed, anywhere or in any country for that matter, we will always have bampots :dry:
Could the answer be not to have speed limits on sites, but have signs saying "First Gear Only"? Most automatic vehicles can be held in a gear (even if some decide to change after a while, they can be put into first again), and on commercial type vehicles with a low first gear, what is the problem with moving at walking pace? No need to rev the nuts off the things!
the trouble with signs Nigel is no one reads them. you know. "no ball games". "dogs on leads at all times". "keep off the grass" no noise after 11 pm". "5 mph speed limit on site" while most people do observe the rules there are always those who think it doesn't mean them.
it was a perceived problem 10 years ago when the thread started and will be in 10 years time.
the truth is no one really cares enough to do anything about it. to do so would mean being very unpopular and the "little hittler" tag attached to any who tried. to make all campers strictly observe all the rules all the time is a hopeless task. few sites have the means or the man power to do it. and there is no incentive to make a site unpopular as this affects the income.
it was a perceived problem 10 years ago when the thread started and will be in 10 years time.
the truth is no one really cares enough to do anything about it. to do so would mean being very unpopular and the "little hittler" tag attached to any who tried. to make all campers strictly observe all the rules all the time is a hopeless task. few sites have the means or the man power to do it. and there is no incentive to make a site unpopular as this affects the income.
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The position of wardens on this seems to vary quite a bit. I have seen the speed limit drawn to the attention of drivers by them on at least three sites but on others nothing has been done despite some drivers clearly exceeding the limit.
Getting below it can be a problem as on a flat road our car can go at 6 mph in first gear without use of the accelerator and faster if you are facing downhill.
Getting below it can be a problem as on a flat road our car can go at 6 mph in first gear without use of the accelerator and faster if you are facing downhill.
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Quote " Getting below it can be a problem as on a flat road our car can go at 6 mph in first gear without use of the accelerator and faster if you are facing downhill."
That is why cars have brakes !
I do not accept that driving at slow speed is a problem.
Any fool can drive fast,you only have to watch some of the idiots on the road to see that.
Being able to control your vehicle at slow speed is the real test of a good driver.
Automatic cars are even easier to control as you cannot stall them !
Manual cars have gearboxes, brakes and clutch, all of which can be used in conjunction with each other to maintain a slow speed.
That is why cars have brakes !
I do not accept that driving at slow speed is a problem.
Any fool can drive fast,you only have to watch some of the idiots on the road to see that.
Being able to control your vehicle at slow speed is the real test of a good driver.
Automatic cars are even easier to control as you cannot stall them !
Manual cars have gearboxes, brakes and clutch, all of which can be used in conjunction with each other to maintain a slow speed.
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Damian-Moderator said:
Well said!
Whats the rush? Are we on holiday or not?. Just think about all the dust / mud / stones that are thrown up? Would you want to hit over-exited kid chasing ball / frizbee / anything?
Just chill and take it easy...give it the beans when you get on the open road!
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PHOENIXFLIER said:
Whether or not you are speeding obeying the guidelines or not, kids should not be racing around on their bicycles on the inner roads on a campsite especially the wrong way and using paths as a race track. Tragically that is how one youngster was killed on a campsite a few years ago and the driver was not to blame as they were virtually stationery however the driver was left very traumatised. Children should be playing with balls / Frisbee's etc in the allocated play area and not around any caravans.
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Perhaps those who are not at ease with children doing kids type things should go to adults only sites, CL/CS or visit during the week and term time. We were all kids once and I guess we probably annoyed those around us too. However what I do draw the line on are ball games or activities using projectiles around the caravan.
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otherclive said:
No one is objecting to kids doing kid things as they have a right to enjoy themselves, but why aren't the so called parents telling the kids that they should not be riding bicycles on foot paths, should not be speeding on bicycles on the road especially when going the wrong way around a one way system? These parents are probably the same ones who speed on site as they think the rules do not apply to them.
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Hi , been reading this for ages now ! This thread could go on for another 10 year and in that time there will still be kids playing going the wrong way on their scooters and bikes and their will still be driver's going more than 5 mile an hour on the sites !
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Buckman said:
One of the reasons that camp sites suggest low speed car movements is to give drivers the chance to see those "children on bicycles" and other site users who are not in cars. Its like pedestrianised areas in some towns where traffic is not excluded, but on entering such an area the driver must be acutely aware that pedestrians have the right of way, and can approach from any angle.
It not an excuse either to choose to exceed a recommended limit, just becasue others do it. Annoying it may be to "Wardens" exceeding the limit (incidentally how do you know , do you have a speed gun handy?) But if you have proof of their activity report them to the site operator.
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Kids will still break the rules, I know we did! Even with the best parents, kids on holiday get excited (don't we?), and do daft things. A caravan site should be a "safe" place, but even with the best wardens, signs, parents etc. things can still go pear shaped as kids can be unpredictable. "Kill you speed...not a child".
Buckman said:
Sorry kids will be kids and I for one prefer them to outdoors messing about getting up to mischief rather than stuck in front a screen somewhere, even if it is in the wrong area and camping/caravan holidays are where parents feel they can let their kids have a little more freedom.and it is up to us as adults to take that into consideration when in control of several tons of metal (not a comment on the incident you mention) . Tragically accidents will happen life can never be 100% safe, but that deosn't mean we should corral the kids into a giant pen and wrap them in cotton wool, they need to be taught awareness of danger.
That said our kids are grown up and we don't have grandchildren yet so tend to choose sites less likely to have kids charging around making a racket.
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I must say we have just come back from Holland last week and the site we were on was all with kids on go-karts bikes and all sorts , you were lucky to get to two or three or four mile an hour was kids just flying around corners ridiculously with no idea what damage could be caused ! kids as young as three and four year olds on bikes unattended! you were needing eyes in the back of your head as well as been able to see round corners ! i think our sites are quite safe compared to over seas !!
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We were at Delftse Hout , korftlaan , only a half hour drive from the ferry port , lovely site and spacious plots .
Craigyoung said:Hi , been reading this for ages now ! This thread could go on for another 10 year and in that time there will still be kids playing going the wrong way on their scooters and bikes and their will still be driver's going more than 5 mile an hour on the sites !
I think I made that point earlier. nothing changes. some people ignore the rules. and others complain about it.
[Dat nemo refert]
plus ca change, plus le meme chose!!!!!!!!Martin24 said:Just a thought, shall we just pop this one back on the shelf for another 10 years and those that are still with us then can chat about how nothing has changed in the intervening period.
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