thanks for the good advice, the strom strap i bought after lossing the awnig is made by fiammi , a couple of weeks back i used it in paris when we had a wee storm & i used the foam pipe ,so i know that works & last year after lossing the awning in spain i bought the strap at a local camping shop which i used on my gazebo, twisted it around the poles & it was as solid as a rock , when others lost their gazebo mine was still standing but i'm worried about twisting the strap around the alloy poles as to whether they are man enought , one good thing about the alloy poles other than being light weight is that when the awning was riped out of the ground & thrown over the caravan they buckled & didn't damage the caravan .... thanks again....pete