Teacher Pay

[Stephen_374341239]

I have a teacher who lives next door. By her own ad-mission things have never been so good. She drives top of the range land rover has 3 holiday a year plus school trip,s always seems to be on holiday now days good luck to her. So why the B***** hell are thay asking for even more money. When I asked her well how much does teacher get 30 to 40k a year very nice.

All I have to say try living on £6-85p an hour for a 40hr week and overtime you do not get payed for.

COME INTO THE REAL WORLD ITS A HARD PLACE FOR SOME>

 

[ShadySadie]

My husband sister in-law is a teacher in Surrey and gets about

 

[Dustydog]

On the whole I believe teachers do a very good job.

Let's not forget they chose their profession in the full knowledge of what it entails.If they don't like it leave.

Pay wise and dare I say it "holidays" are in my opinion well above average. Unlike mere mortals like me they have gilt edged final salary pension schemes and the ability , I believe to take a very comfortable early retirement.

Thanks to Gordon Brown a lot of people have had their final salary pensions scrapped, not so the very lucky teachers.

Maybe the teachers need a reality check and should consider themselves in the higher bracket earners, which they are.

Chers

Alan

 

[JeremyClarksson]

My brother in law has just started teaching and personally I would not want to do it.

BUT

Teachers quote classroom risks at almost every opportunity and forget to mention inordinately long holidays that the police, nurses and the other professions (all with similar risks) that they like to quote in pay rounds do not get.

They will often tell you that they mark exam papers in these holidays and forget to tell yo that they receive additional payment for this.

I would not mind if they did their training in this time off instead of having 2 or 3 "in service" days every term in time that the children are supposed to be taught - after all they are getting tougher and tougher on parents who want to take their kids out of school for holidays in term time.

Sorry but they do not get my sympathy - Rant over

 

[ShadySadie]

Yes you are wrong, as there is little chance of many teachers takng early retirement as education authorities stopped that years ago,unless they take a huge financial hit. Do not believe the governement figures, many start teacher training and never actually start or stay in the professions as pay and conditions are so poor.

Plus what they believe to be their roll as teachers is not what they find when they get settled into a school. That is why so many leave and we have a shortage of teachers despite the government spinning figures about those entering techer training, I believe I am right in saying that more then 50%never start or leave within two years and many leave the training courses soon after they have done a school placement part way through the course.

Surveys have shown that a large majority of teachers only stay in the job as they feel forced to by their circunstances and needs. That is a very poor advert for the job.

Sister in law trains and mentors trainee teachers. It involves a lot of extra out of school hours apart from the extra work load on top of a heavy work load and is unpaid of course, out of ten student teachers in the past three years only 1 has lasted more than a year in teaching, 1 left at the end of the fist term, 8 others never started teaching. One newly trained teacher at her school left two weeks ago, two others who have taught for about two years leave the profession in July.

A mature teacher who was doing the probationary style training after leaving the bank industry went back to banking after nine months of teaching last year and an established accountant who spent two years of weekend training to go into teaching started at her school in September and will go back to an accounting job after school breaks up in July.

Sister inlaw also has to attend unpaid training in her own time for her mentoring roll along with others from her LEA and those figures are far from unusual and more like the norm.

 

[ShadySadie]

ps.

You wll also find that many doctors see far to many teachers in comparison to other jobs.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Question for Sadie ..... if

 

[DavidW1]

I would say on the whole that teaching is a well paid job compared to most but with it goes a need for moral leadership if the proffesion is to continue to gain respect or indeed any sympathy for a bigger pay increase than Nurses or Soldiers for example.

How can this be reconciled with strike action against a pay award from an independant pay review?

What kind of example is this for our children?

 

[ShadySadie]

Lord B, where did I say that 40K was poor pay?

I said that I would not do sis in-laws job for what she gets paid. She is 56 and very well qualified, she has BA, MA and a PhD that she did for her own satisfaction along with other qualifications and she is a department head.

It takes some time to get up the ladder and not all earn that sort of money. Her husband (my brother in-law) is a senior Police detective and her daughter an anaethatist working in the NHS

They both think she and many teachers to be underspaid compared to what their employer pay some staff.

 

[ShadySadie]

Lord B, where did I say that 40K was poor pay?

I said that I would not do sis in-laws job for what she gets paid. She is 56 and very well qualified, she has BA, MA and a PhD that she did for her own satisfaction along with other qualifications and she is a department head.

It takes some time to get up the ladder and not all earn that sort of money. Her husband (my brother in-law) is a senior Police detective and her daughter an anaethatist working in the NHS

They both think she and many teachers to be underspaid compared to what their employer pay some staff.

 

[Carl-GreyhoundsrUs]

My sister in law is a paramedic, on a regular basis, she deals with drunks trying to batter each other to death, treating people who have suffered horrendous injuries in some accident or another, resuscitating people who have expired in the back of an ambulance and at times suffered abuse, both physical and verbal, working shifts around the clock and at weekends. All this for the princely sum of

 

[ShadySadie]

(Sorry some problem there)

ps

They see both sides of the coin. She looked at a number of professions 30 plus years back when she was at school, at the time the pay seemed to be on a par.

Now if she had joined the other professions she would be earning for more money and have better conditions than as a teacher.

She is not on strike today, she is an NUT member and agrees with the claim, but is to dedicated to the children to consider her own pocket or health.

I also have to pay some of my younger less well qualified staff more than her as well.

 

[ShadySadie]

My sister in law is a paramedic, on a regular basis, she deals with drunks trying to batter each other to death, treating people who have suffered horrendous injuries in some accident or another, resuscitating people who have expired in the back of an ambulance and at times suffered abuse, both physical and verbal, working shifts around the clock and at weekends. All this for the princely sum of

 

[Carl-GreyhoundsrUs]

Sorry. But do tell where you find a teacher that does those hours, Liz starts at the school at 7.30 am and rareley finishes before 6pm alomng with her colleagues. I leave for my business at 7 am most days and pass my local village first and middle school and teachers cars are already in the car park and the heads is there earlier and they aremainly still there at gone 6pm and often at weekends like at Liz's school and that of other teachers and schools I know.

As these teachers cars are always at the school, (7 am in the morning, 6pm in the evening and at weekends) are you sure that they are not just being green and leaving their cars there whilst they cycle to work? check the bike sheds.

 

[Rodone]

I care little about what the teachers get or do not get as they are all big and fit enough to fight their own battles. What I do object to is the army of parents complaining bitterly that, because they have to look after their own children for a day,it has disrupted their working/social pattern. I pay my taxes for children to receive an education - not to pay for a national child minding service. If you cannot look after your off spring, do not expect the State to do so.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Sorry Sadie, I was responding to your first post where you said , quote ...

"Teachers are under valued underpaid" and

" many teachers leave the profession as pay and conditions and the hours they are forced to work are so poor".

To me that means you think they are poorly paid, forgive me if I interpreted it the wrong way.

I couldn't do a teachers job but that is me. I would feel frustrated at screaming unruly kids who I had no control of or knew that I couldn't control due to our nanny state. All of this is because of our namby pamby do-gooders and the politically correct cretins who have made it law that if a teacher lays a finger on a child they will get dragged through the courts and lose their job. I have no sympathy for teachers because most believed that corporal punishment should be abolished and they are now reaping the rewards.

Again a 999 I attended at a school. I pulled up in the school playground while my colleague went to find the patient.

The kids in the classroom we were parked outside stopped their work and all came rushing outside. The male teacher had completely lost the plot and for all his screaming and arm waving they refused to go back in class. He had no control over them at all. I had to threaten about six to get out of the rear of our ambulance when I found them in there because they never moved when I asked them.

God help us in my day if you dared to look through the window at school, if you did you risked having the blackboard rubber bouncing of your head. There was certainly no answering a teacher back and I don't believe it was from fear, it was from respect which was instilled into us at an early age by both parents and teachers.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I care little about what the teachers get or do not get as they are all big and fit enough to fight their own battles. What I do object to is the army of parents complaining bitterly that, because they have to look after their own children for a day,it has disrupted their working/social pattern. I pay my taxes for children to receive an education - not to pay for a national child minding service. If you cannot look after your off spring, do not expect the State to do so.

100% correct Rod.

 

[LMH]

I know someone who was offered and took a fabulous job in a comprehensive school in an inner city. She walked out after four days.

Some of the kids are savages, touch them and the parent will sue and the teacher will get the sack. The parent/s are savages. Education, some of these feral people shouldn't even be allowed in schools.

A close friend of mine, an ex Oxford graduate was head of year in English for a number of years. When she was seriously physically assaulted by a 14 year old and its parent, she decided to quit teaching for good.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

We know that goes on Lisa but by asking for an extra

 

[colin-yorkshire]

hi all

what is a stressfull job teaching is, agreed but so is 95% of the work place of today and you dont get 40k a year for it.

LB is quite right a paramedic has a far more stressfull occupation for a lot less money but both of these jobs are ones one gets into with eyes wide open.

in my own job while not being in brackets a professional vocation it is a dam site harder.

driving through city centres @4pm trying to reach customers on time for delivery slots knowing that if you miss one the delay makes it impossible to make the next one ect, heavy traffic, road works, drivers hrs,all pile up the pressure plus knowing that the 60 to 70 hrs a week that you work inc weekends are all for 45hrs basic pay.and the 20 days paid leave can only be taken when convienent for the boss,

what is the annual salary for all this hassle

 

[Stephen_374341239]

My husband sister in-law is a teacher in Surrey and gets about

 

[giovanni_5060838]

I am not for teachers striking,but come on you get what you pay for.A teacher was once in the same grouping of pay and respect as other top class university educated types,but even in my last years of schooling back in the late 70s things were not so good for them.

Remember this, teachers teach everyone.The better quality the teachers are, the better education everybody gets.

So if you don't pay them the sort of money they can earn in other sectors of life,how do you expect to attract the best of the right sort from society?

If you don't pay em good,instead of cream,you only get semi skimmed.....

 

[colin(bridgend)]

There is an old saying "Those who can work - do, those who can't - teach and those who can't teach, teach teachers how to teach". On a serious note as a retired FE lecturer I offer my 100% support to the teachers. The out of class preperation and marking is part and parcel of the job. However the paper work to satisfy the powers that be in Government is horendous and takes priority over all other aspects of the profession. As far as holidays are concerned the teacher has to develop work to satisfy new curriculums and keep up to date with the advancement of their specialist subjects.

My field of teaching in FE was Architecture and Land Surveying but I was expected to also teach mathematics and science to building students and services to hotel management students. We had a timetable of 24 teaching hours per week and 12 departmantal duty hours, nine of which had to be on the premises. These DDs were initially meant for preperation and marking but were gradually taken up by the preperation of statistics for Welsh Assembley purposes. The long summer breaks of SEVEN weeks were wittled away to a maximum of FOUR weeks with a maximum of TWO weeks continuous. We were also expected to attend during the holiday period for enrollment and exam results days to advise students - these were taken out of our holiday entitlement. We also had three unpaid evenings per year for parent/student meetings.

My line manager reported me for not taking work home with me as he could not understand how I managed to do my work - he reckoned I was not pulling my weight. I was summoned to the Dean of the Faculty for an explanation - my defence was that when I went out through the gates of the college it was my time for my wife and family. I was not going to be paid for the work I would do at home or even have time off instead. After a lot of arguing I called the meeting to a halt saying I wanted the Union in on any further discussion. Never heard any more after this.

Yes there other demading jobs/professions and yes they deserve a fair days pay for a fair days work. The teachers are being offered 2.4% but what are the Government claiming, the Welsh Assembley have awarded themselves 8.9% - QUESTION which is the more desrving?

 

[Chaps]

I work on the support staff of a secondary school and have never met such a moaning bunch as teachers! In the 7 years I've worked in education, the things that teachers have to do has dwindled almost daily.

One change a few years ago is that they won't invigilate exams even though this means that they get loads of free periods during SATS and GCSE times. Schools now have to pay outside invigilators approx

 

[mistermac]

Go check your facts.... your average teacher is NOT on 40k per year.