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Mar 14, 2005
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This is another of those areas of towing regulations that driver knows about, but can't be bothered to comply.

I find it so strange that matters like the 85% guideline are treated with such concern, yet it has no legal standing, yet those areas where contravention can result in fines and points are treated with such distain and people who advoacat compliance are villified.
 

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Prof John L said:
........................ yet those areas where contravention can result in fines and points are treated with such disdain and people who advocate compliance are vilified.
Don't take it to heart John, I'm often surprised and disappointed when I see caravanners who don't stick to the most basic rules and who flout towing laws but apart from posting reminders on caravan forums there's not much that you can do.
I'd like to think that most Practical Caravan forum members and magazine readers are conscientious and responsible when towing or using their tourers and have good basic driving skills and a knowledge of towing law.
There are caravanners and 'people who have bought a caravan', if the police or VOSA decide to have a bit of a purge then it's the disdainful know-it-all's who will be paying fines and higher insurance costs because of points on their licence.
 
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Hello Parksy,

Thanks for your words, As you say all we can do is inform, its upto the individuals to decide if they follow the advice or not.
Unfortunately there are a some quite verbose PCF memers who frequently boast or even advocate poor or even illegal practices.
 
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Prof…..just take your cane and give them a whack.
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Well that is what Jimmy Edwards would have done!
 
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Interesting thread. I've been at the motorway services observing the Police and VOSA spot-checking caravans. One thing that struck me was that VOSA and the Police and Al-Ko all have different advice over breakaway cables. There is no 'law' governing the correct installation, just best practice advice and this is what differs.

The law simply indicates that a restraint device must be fitted to stop the caravan in the event of a detachment. On a heavy trailer with brakes, it cannot be a chain - it must break and then pull the brakes on.

VOSA say this should be attached to a fixed-point on the car. The Police agree. At the service area, both were advising against looping the cable around the towball and advocating clipping the cable directly to the car.

However, Al-Ko says that if you clip the carabina thing directly onto the car, the clip will break before the cable and the brakes won't be applied to the caravan if it seperates. If you want to clip on directly, you need to get a breakaway cable developed especially for the task - Al-Ko call this the 'Swedish' cable.

For what it is worth, I follow Al-Ko's advice - they built most of the kit I tow so and I feel that using it in the way it was designed to be used is the way I'm happiest.
 
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Hello Nigel,

I think it should be made clear that your comments relate to trailers with overrun brakes such as most caravans, as differnt regs cover unbraked trailers of differnt ages, a subject that was discussed on another recent topic.

Returning to caravans, the vast majority of cars do not have a suitable separate fixing point for the breakaway cable, so most caravanneers have little choice but to loop the cable around the tow ball, that has to be better than nothing, and it may not be illegal.

You have to look at the relevant Act of parliament or EU directive to find out what outcome is required. How you are to achieve that outcome is not defined in the Act or Directive, that is left open to interpretation.

In many cases committees of professionals who have technical interests in the subject produce Regulations, and these are often assumed to be the de-fact reference source on methods or solutions.

Unfortunately it is often forgotten that these regulations are just one set of interpretations of the Act, there may be other and equally valid alternative interpretations, and the fixing of the breakaway cable may be such a case in point.

Contravention of a regulation can only be deemed illegal if it has been specifically declared so by the courts. This leaves the potential for alternatives methods to the regulations to be found satisfactory, but they may need to be defended in court.

Having been involved in the caravan related industry in various positions, in 30 years I cannot recall ever seeing a broken tow ball. That of course does not mean it can't happen.

I have just conducted a search on the WWW, and surprise - no results for broken tow balls or hitches in the UK. There are references to incidents in Australia and the US, but these relate to the securing bolts on the ball or the subframes, one must remember that different regulations apply in those countries, and I believe they can tow much heavier trailers that we do in the UK that - still no UK tow ball failures.
 
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Hi John
I'venever heard of a tow ball fail. It's a very substantial piece of steel and I assume Al-ko and maybe others make them to a very high quality standard. Now if some start coming in from China or India maybe the quality will not be so good?
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A few years ago we were rear ended. I demanded a complete new tow bar and ball. The Insurers engineer said there was no need!
I questioned this with the Insurer and demanded they give me a metallurgical report confirming the efficacy of the tow bar had not been compromised.I also requested their written confirmation that if the tow bar / ball failed at any time in the future they would be 100% liable for all damage and injury.
By return of post a new unit was authorised
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I'd advise anyone who gets rear ended to demand a new towbar /ball unit as a matter of course.

Sorry this is a bit off thread but is still a very important issue.
 
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Hi John
I'venever heard of a tow ball fail. It's a very substantial piece of steel and I assume Al-ko and maybe others make them to a very high quality standard. Now if some start coming in from China or India maybe the quality will not be so good?
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A few years ago we were rear ended. I demanded a complete new tow bar and ball. The Insurers engineer said there was no need!
I questioned this with the Insurer and demanded they give me a metallurgical report confirming the efficacy of the tow bar had not been compromised.I also requested their written confirmation that if the tow bar / ball failed at any time in the future they would be 100% liable for all damage and injury.
By return of post a new unit was authorised
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I'd advise anyone who gets rear ended to demand a new towbar /ball unit as a matter of course.

Sorry this is a bit off thread but is still a very important issue.

I would say that your stance was 100% correct. As for John's normal long winded and informative post, he does make a very valid point in that regulations and laws can be interpreted in various ways and until you have a test case, how valid is that law by definition which was my point regarding exterior and extension mirrors.
 
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It seems to me the old adage "The Law is an Ass" has some merit in these cases.
Personally I'm all for the common sense approach. I do like to know what's coming up on my rear.
As Parksy says there are real caravanners and those who have no real interest other than a cheap holiday.
Trying to convert these people is like trying to convert everyone to Islam or Christianity; no chance.
Law wise, the longer things are vague the longer the Government employed Lawyers have a job
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Nigel Donnelly said:
However, Al-Ko says that if you clip the carabina thing directly onto the car, the clip will break before the cable and the brakes won't be applied to the caravan if it seperates. If you want to clip on directly, you need to get a breakaway cable developed especially for the task - Al-Ko call this the 'Swedish' cable.

For what it is worth, I follow Al-Ko's advice - they built most of the kit I tow so and I feel that using it in the way it was designed to be used is the way I'm happiest.

Confusing information Nigel, Al KO's web site says :

Breakaway Cable with Caribena Clip

Description
Can be used for direct attachment to towbar mounting point, when towbar manufacturers do not recommend looping the cable around the ball.

Please read NCC technical advice sheet before purchase. (Click on Technical Specification below to view)
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Prof John L said:
I have just conducted a search on the WWW, and surprise - no results for broken tow balls or hitches in the UK. There are references to incidents in Australia and the US, but these relate to the securing bolts on the ball or the subframes, one must remember that different regulations apply in those countries, and I believe they can tow much heavier trailers that we do in the UK that - still no UK tow ball failures.

There does however appear to be a number of reports of detachable tow bars falling off, especially on Disco 3’s. Whether or not that is due to incorrect fitting is unclear. I’ve fitted a dedicated fixing point for my caribena type cable which I clip directly onto.
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Hello Dusty, and Chris,

You both make valid points. Given that both types of failure could lead to trailer detaching and if the breakaway cable were just looped around the ball, then its possible the trailer breaks may not operate on detachment.

It may be moot point, but neither case would be the fault of the tow ball breaking, it is either preoccuring damage or likely human error in the design or execution of attachemnt of the ball.
 
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What a day to take your caravan in for a small repair it was gale force winds , gusty pick van up at storage put my towing mirrors on, way to dealer saw some oufits where were the towing mirrors how can they see behind them there should either get a fine or points on there licence .....
 
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now that yous are on about mirrors what are the best ones to get ? the dealer i got my van off gave me a pair of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Twin-One-Pair-Extension-Wing-Caravan-Towing-Mirrors-AL7-/290565926169?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item43a7142d19
they fit ok but i cant see hardly any more than on the cars own mirrors (vw sharan) i cant see down the sides of the van and they are viberating so they are confusing me .
what about these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUCK-IT-AND-SEE-CARAVAN-TOWING-MIRROR-TWIN-PACK-DEAL-/120778649175?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item1c1ef7ee57
or these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Twin-Pack-Rock-Steady-Towing-Mirrors-E-approved-BNIB-/190574092971?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item2c5f19e2ab
thanks
 
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I'd steer well clear of the 'suck-it-and-see' variety. They can do serious damage to the the mirror adjustment mechanism of the standard mirror or lead to failure of the adhesive bond between the mirror glass and the mechanism itself.
 
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I've always preferred to use mirrors as much as possible whether towing or not.
We use a pair of Aero mirrors which are easy to fit and adjust first chance we get when rig is straight ahead on site, would have thought it was clear common sense to have mirrors for rear view.
Mind you some people we watch leaving the storage site are in such a rush it's a wonder they hitch the van properly never mind fitting mirrors, almost like watching aF1 pit stop but not as efficient.
As for detachable towbars we've had no trouble up to press, can't see why you would if properly fitted.
I Ioop our cable through a bow shackle which goes through a lug adjacent to the ball assembly, this shackle has to be removed to allow the ball assembly to be detached, so it (the ball assembly) can't just come out anyway.
 

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