Toyota LandCruiser or Mitsubishi Shogun

[Chris_374224489]

I am looking at buying a new 3.0 D4D Landcruiser or a new 3.2 Shogun. Both are now 214gms CO2 & both will tow 3000kg.

I know that they will both tow my caravan/boat but I would appreciate comments from those who have experience of both.

Which should I buy?

 

[marlot]

I've owned a Mk1 Shogun and a 120-series 3.0 D4D. I've also driven Mk2 (2.8 diesel) and Mk3 (3.2 diesel) shoguns. The latest landcruiser is the 150-series, which only came out in November.

The D4D engine had a reputation for blowing injector seals at 60,000 miles or so, but the later 120s (from 2008) and 150s have the upgraded (aluminium) seals as standard. I've heard of a few shoguns suffering (auto) gearbox failure at about the same mileage.

I think that the complexity of these engines to get them down to such low levels of CO2 have made them both potentially less reliable than the earlier cars (I think Toyota's peak was the 90 series [colorado] and 80 series [amazon], and I think mitsubishi's peak was the Mk2) - but all three models are now over 10 years old).

When I faced this dilemma a year or so ago, I chose the Toyota. Mainly because I thought the drive was more refined, partly for the residuals (Shoguns drop quicker) and partly because I had a good local toyota dealer.

 

[marlot]

PS. I've stuck with the landcruiser. Not regretting the choice. But the Shogun isn't a bad car either

 

[Hamer_5041128]

Chris,

I am on my third Shogun and can fully recommend them. My present one being a 3.2 Lwb Auto elegance.

The new 2010 model Shogun has commenced production and will be available for purchase in a few weeks. Looking at the brochure the exterior has not changed much, the interior is more stylish with improved gadgetry. however the biggest change concerns the engine. It is still the 3.2 but has been reworked to produce 50 more lb ft of torque and much lower emissions. The mpg has been improved by 5 to 6 mpg.

It may be worth waiting to have a look at the new Shogun.

Caravaning friends have either Shoguns or Landcruisers, no complaints from either camp. At the end of the day it is personal choice.

Hamer

 

[Ben_374556928]

the cruiser all the way we have 6 at work all tow plant all day are between 3 and 6 yrs old and the oldest has covered 217,000miles and has barely ever failed and the most expensive repair for this car was 700 pounds odd and it has only broken down 3-4 times keep it serviced and you will be happy and surprised how little money it will lose.

 

[Chris_374224489]

Thank you for the replies.

This is the first time that I have heard of a possible weakness in the autoboxes fitted to the Mitsubishi. I will be following this up. I understand that the Toyota seal problem is history.

Relative value is also interesting. I am not into gimmicks & will be quite happy with the cheapest version of either vehicle.

The Landcruiser LC3 is

 

[marlot]

The lancruiser injector issue was completely solved from 2008. Toyota extended the warranty to 5 years/100,000 miles for the affected ones [though I'd have preferred a recall].

I think you're going to be very lucky to find anyone who has owned the latest Shogun or the latest landcruiser as towcars - they're both very new. Ultimately you're just going to have to drive them both and see what you think. I doubt many dealers will have fitted towbars to their demo models (though they should!)

In their latest incarnations, the mpg of both have been improved - though nobody knows whether this has been at the expense of reliability. Its too early to know which will give the better reliability ovr the medium term - so I'd recommend just buying the one which you prefer.

 

[Chris_374224489]

Will DeBeast

As I understand it the differences between the latest models & those produced over the last few years are slight. The Mitsubishi has been "retuned" and made Euro5 compliant but as I understand it this has not changed the fundamentals of the vehicle. The same applies to the Toyota from last November.

Whilst I appreciate that what has changed might effect reliablity I am not anticipating that it would fundamentally change the ownership experience unless I am missing something.

 

[marlot]

In that case I'd choose the landcruiser every time. I loved my shogun, but found the landcruiser far more refined.

 

[ChrisUK]

Remember to ask the dealers how the respective cars deal with DFP (diesel particulate filter) cleaning. A Sore point with me. Try Googling "DPF problems" and see how many manufacturers have this problem. Its called progress!

 

[Jo-AnneFairway5402010]

land cruiser, land cruiser, land cruiser

 

[Chris_374224489]

I hear you. Thanks

 

[Mikey1]

Down to personal choice really,I have just had 2 seperate weekends with both cars,they drive the same as each other as they are on ladder chassis so they do roll in the bends.The Toyota does feel underpowered to the Shogun(the 190bhp engine) ,i was towing a Elddis twin axle.Both will get you off a muddy field.

Very similar inside black plastics and layout etc.

You cant really split them,if you want to keep the car then sell after 3 years then the Shogun comes out on top for residals etc.

Shogun good service package which sways it for me.

 

[Hamer_5041128]

Mikey,

Since the 2000 3.2 model Shogun it does not have a ladder chassis. It is monoqhoc. Only the Shogun Sport 2.5 since 2000 has a ladder chassis.On my third Shogun and would buy another.

Hamer

 

[Mikey1]

Ahhh learn a new thing everyday ,its says its has a built in ladder frame (The Shogun is underpinned by Mitsubishi's robust monocoque chassis with built-in ladder frame.)must be a bit a bit like the disco 3's then?

 

[Chris_374224489]

I think that they mean that the bottom of the car is not flat but has u section welded underneath.

The LC has a separate chassis which you can remove the body from.

 

[Mikey1]

One thing that has shocked me is the price of the Land Cruiser now? for the similar money you can get a LR,Audi,BMW or a Merc which have much better residuals and on road manners.

 

[Heethers]

Like Hammer on my 3rd Shogun contemplated Land Cruiser but her indoors was having none of it so another Shogun, we bought an 07 last year, paid less for it than the one before which l had for ten years, and was 3 years old when l got it cost 16 K, this one

 

[Mikey1]

Nigel you obviously havent been to the dealers in the last few months? Used 4x4 prices have gone up as their is a shortage of used cars on the market,1. lack on new car purchased last year and 2. because of the snow the demand has increased.

Mitsi dealer told me he is paying 2 1/2 k more for a used Shogun now compared to last year and its a year older.

 

[Heethers]

Mickey l didn't know that, guess we got a real bargain last July. We bought a 07 Shogun Equippe Auto for 14695,the car still had 14 months warranty left.

NigelH

 

[Mikey1]

I would hold fire on a new LC for a while as the Lexus GX 460 is being withdrawn from sale in the US for roll over problems, they are also checking out the Land Cruiser, Land Cruiser Prado which uses the same platform.

 

[Heethers]

Mickey yes l saw that the other day reminds me when Suzuki's were rolling over when they were first brought out, wonder how much is the way people drive them.

NigelH

 

[Chris_374224489]

Having liked the old (2009) Shogun we yesterday tried the new 2010 varient. We expected great things with the increased power etc.

We were very disappointed. The engine sounded like the tappets needed adjustment and just generally felt "rough". In cruise at 70mph on a dual carriageway we hit a slight, & I mean slight, incline & it unlocked its torque converter to get us up it. It felt just like clutch slip. The dealer agreed that his 2010 had these problems & it had been referred to Mitsubishi. They were being sent some new software which it was hoped would cure the problem. As this is due Monday we are going for another look Tuesday but are not very hopeful.

From what was said I think this is a problem of some 2010 examples but not others.