Mel
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Don’t know, but would doubt it. However decent apps like zap map that you can run on the car’s “infotainment” (😂) screen via car play will tell you where the nearest charging point is, how much it is, what type it is, if it is working, and if it is occupied.
Mel
How and where is the Garmin positioned in your car. In the last car I used it in (Forester) there was a convenient flat area just in front of one of its dashboard screens that didn’t display any useful info. In our Rio there’s an adhesive pad on the dashboard and I use the Garmin suction mount to position the Garmin. Days of “bean bags” have moved on.
No, you cant assume (oh that we could!). That depends on the car and system, and I think is different for Map data vs Charger data.
Here is what I know for ours - others will vary!
For map data...
My youngest Corsa E you update via a memory stick from your home computer. The process is a complete PITA, but is at home and free.
The eldest's Renault ZoE seems to do it over the air, but it's a bit hard to tell.
Our Fiat 500e uses TomTom in the navigation. It seems to be updated over the air with no interaction.
The Polestar is live, in that Google maps is constantly being updated. It uses streamed data that is then cached locally, just like on your phone. If you are off line (no signal) it uses the cached data until you are on line again.
For charger data, the Corsa has the option, but she does not subscribe. It was included for the 1st 3 years of the car, hers is nearly 5, and it's not worth it for her (She just uses apple car play).
The Renault data seems live, but again is on a subscription - this time 5 years, and the car is only 3 - so it's all good.
TomTom in the Fiat, again subscription, 3 years, the car is 2 and its live. We probably wont bother to renew after 3 as that car mostly does local runs.
The Polestar nominaly has a data subscription for 4 years, though I dont think they are charging for year 5 yet. It will go back at that point for a replacement.
You mean, drive to the fuel station, fill up, drive home, then start with an _almost_ full tank, and go anywhere within the fuel range, right?
I always have a up to date map book in both cars, but find satnav useful if I’m on my own, or co pilot is asleep. I have no problem finding my way around the country it’s finding the correct approach to the runway that can be an issue 😂
We would fill up the tank when we go shopping so it is on the way to the supermarket. The Jeep has a range of over 500 miles so not an issue even if 3/4 tank.You mean, drive to the fuel station, fill up, drive home, then start with an _almost_ full tank, and go anywhere within the fuel range, right?
Filling up with that much Diesel, I would be watching for the OPEC rates on a barrel of oil.
It can take up to 93 litres to fill up from empty. Most it has cost is £142 not long after we bought it and that war started and fuel was close to £2 a litre!
The Volvo system is I believe reactive mile by mile.
This is from Volvo via my son.
“The latest version ensures that you have the latest updates and functions. To update Maps, your car needs to be connected to the Internet and there needs to be an active Google account linked to the user profile.
When an update is available for Maps, a notification will be displayed where you can choose to update.”
The Volvo sat nav is like nothing I’ve seen. Yes you program in your destination and it constantly calculates when, where you will need a recharge even if a detour is needed.
My VW will take me wherever I choose even 650 miles away😉But it doesn’t say automatically where the next filling station is.
Like Clive we still carry and use the old atlas just to get a feel of where we are going and towns cities en route.
The EV sat system is very clever 👍
This is from Volvo via my son.
“The latest version ensures that you have the latest updates and functions. To update Maps, your car needs to be connected to the Internet and there needs to be an active Google account linked to the user profile.
When an update is available for Maps, a notification will be displayed where you can choose to update.”
The Volvo sat nav is like nothing I’ve seen. Yes you program in your destination and it constantly calculates when, where you will need a recharge even if a detour is needed.
My VW will take me wherever I choose even 650 miles away😉But it doesn’t say automatically where the next filling station is.
Like Clive we still carry and use the old atlas just to get a feel of where we are going and towns cities en route.
The EV sat system is very clever 👍
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My parents have just this system in their new EX30. They have a place in France. They asked google "hey Google, navigate to Caylus" (there nearest town). It comes up with a route, all the charging locations, and how long you need to stop at each. And it will automatically update the journey as you drive to account for traffic, weather how heavy your right foot is etc. Its brilliant.
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Ok, I'll accept it's "only" 99.8% full - everywhere in the UK &NI is within my "reduced" fuel range.You mean, drive to the fuel station, fill up, drive home, then start with an _almost_ full tank, and go anywhere within the fuel range, right?
Plus 1. Totally lost on me🤔I am sorry, but I do not understand your calculations?
Sorry. I need three letter words and big pictures🤔I was just comparing it to your 93 litre tank and £142, no other reason
Sorry for being a bit thick, but I still do not understand the comparison?I was just comparing it to your 93 litre tank and £142, no other reason
Not at all are you a fool.
Probably with age I find it hard to understand things.
Please stay and keep posting.
All your posts are appreciated👍👍
.......currently ICE users are paying massive amounts of tax to the Exchequer when buying fuel. EV users are paying relatively no tax on their fuel.
The more EVs on the road the more will be the need to correct this imbalance.
I'm a big diesel fan so have no problem with this state of affairs but I will be interested to see how things develop.
EV owners will undoubtedly have to pay more in taxation.
The more EVs on the road the more will be the need to correct this imbalance.
I'm a big diesel fan so have no problem with this state of affairs but I will be interested to see how things develop.
EV owners will undoubtedly have to pay more in taxation.
It’s reckoned by 2030 there could be a £38bn loss to the Exchequer. I’ve a feeling road charging will be bought in. Insurance companies already can fit black boxes that record far more than the cars position and time. Although it may be possible to design domestic charging systems to differentiate between energy going to the house domestic systems and energy going to the vehicle. Commercial systems could be taxed as the energy is used.
Nothing's impossible - but I don't see how a conventional 13A connection could be detected as charging a car.
Here’s a useful discussion paper with links to references. It’s not impossible to introduce a fair system that transitions towards a road usage pricing end point. It would not happen overnight but aligns with the take up of EV and the gradual reduction in ICE. So it’s probably a 20+ year approach if not longer.
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To be honest , I think anyone who thinks EV's will not at some time attract some form of fuel or use tax has been living in cloud cuckoo land. It's a question of how to do it.
I personally was much in favour of loading fuel duty , so that those who use the most fuel pay proportionally more, but with the advent EV's and home charging, it would be very difficult to introduce a metering system that could discern when the electricity was being used in the home or in the car.
I suspect it will be more likely loaded onto the VED, coupled with a charge per mile, perhaps derived from data collected at the MOT.
I personally was much in favour of loading fuel duty , so that those who use the most fuel pay proportionally more, but with the advent EV's and home charging, it would be very difficult to introduce a metering system that could discern when the electricity was being used in the home or in the car.
I suspect it will be more likely loaded onto the VED, coupled with a charge per mile, perhaps derived from data collected at the MOT.
Using MOT would be very unfair as the car could be have 2 - 3 owners in a year. Also MOT only kicks into action in third year. I think the black box is the way forward, but govt has realised that introducing the black box again they will probably suffer a huge loss. Will the black box "switch off" while travelling around the EU?
You raise some valid points, I hadn't considered the change of ownership point. but with regards the MOT only kicking in after the third year, perhaps it becomes a requirement to have the VIN number and millage checked annually or when a car changes hands.
As for black boxes, I thought the insurance ones logged location as well as times.
There is alo the vauge possibility of people using EV's for future off road purposes, so yet again it would not be fair to charge on Electric down loads.
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