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Hi Woodiesboy just posted a question in technical ref the electrics as it has the towbar but 7 pin socket.
My shogun now up in Gloucester.
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We had a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee that we traded in for a 2013 Shogun and within a month we realised we had made a mistake. It was very reliable but very heavy on fuel when towing and we were lucky to see 17mpg. In comparison the 2005 Jeep was light years ahead.
After three months ownership we bit the bullet and traded it in for a 2012 Jeep with air suspension and modern gizmets etc.
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I would look for a longer period of three months to rate reliability. 😁 My generation 1 Kia Sorento had no problems in six years of ownership and 70+k miles, and it went off roading too.
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Should have said "although Shoguns are known for reliability".
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Except for the 2021 models which have gone to DSG which I would be wary of for traffic crawling and maneuvering
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The oil lubricated DSG used by VAG were fitted to higher torque engines. They were far better than the earlier ones fitted to petrol cars. I had a Superb 170ps DSG and it drove very well although knowing that the gearbox is an automated manual gearbox using clutches I drove it accordingly to minimise possible clutch wear. Kia have been using dual clutch gearboxes for a while and without knowing the design of the type fittted to the Sorento it rash to imply potential problems. VAG have moved towards having the clutch pack and gears lubricated by seperate systems, how do you know KIA haven’t done the same.
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The original Sories were fluid flywheels torque convertors , 5 speed. Grew up to 6 speed. Latest models are wet DSG 8 speed.
wet DSGs are excellent even towing. The original DSG in the Ford Power shifts were dry and had a lot of problems.
My VW is still made with a torque converter. Once on the move it fully locks up like a dry clutch helping with mpg.
wet DSGs are excellent even towing. The original DSG in the Ford Power shifts were dry and had a lot of problems.
My VW is still made with a torque converter. Once on the move it fully locks up like a dry clutch helping with mpg.
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DSG is specific to VAG vehicles, similar gearboxes are more correctly referenced to as dual clutch transmission, or twin clutch transmission, unless having a proprietary name such as Ford’s Powershift. I thought that the original concept was developed by Porsche as it gave better Economy and quicker shifts for sports car racing. But in fact it appeared in the early 1960 s in the Hillman Minx.
Our daughter recently disposed of her 2014 Focus 1.6 Poweshift which had had a full replacement gearbox under warranty, and her warranty extended by Ford. But unlike the US where class action led to all warranties being extended, such a thing did not happen in Britain. The replacement gearbox again gave problems and was subject to a major rebuild repair again under the extended Ford warranty. However, she distrusted it intensely and would never take it on a motorway. She’s now recently disposed of it and has a Toyota Corolla self charging hybrid with a cvt automatic gearbox.
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We had major issues with the Powershift box in our 2011 Mondeo and eventually we got a full refund even though we had the vehicle a couple of months and it had a tow bar fitted. At times it would not know which gear to select and you ended up coasting into a roundabout.
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Maybe you are right and I am too suspicious of developing technology. I also had a 125 KW Superb, very nice car, but what I didn’t like about the DSG was 3 expensive 60,000 km services in 180,000 km, poor accelerator feel in traffic crawl and manoeuvring trailer, and transmission tunnel got progressively hotter on a long trip (partly exhaust related). By comparison my 2 heavy vehicles with torque converters had none of these problems, instant throttle response, good tranny oil cooler, didn’t need oil changes in my usage as shown by condition of oil. For now I’ll stick to the 70 year proven technology, and use a wee bit more fuel. Also VAG still fit plenty of torque converters in some Audis and VWs, so they have their reason.
You'll have to work really hard to find current VW/Audis with torque-converter automatics, - I think now you need to go up the 4.0 litres to avoid the ubiquitous DSG.
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Dsg oil changes for the Tiguan are every 40k miles, every 3 years for the 4 motion.
The engines are rated in PS not Bhp, for those who think differently.
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There are conversion factors for converting ps-bhp-kw. For those who have an interest conversion of ps to bhp is below. But I can live with an error of around 1% in the figure when discussing the engines output.
“The formula to convert ps to bhp is 1 Pferdestarke = 0.986320070619531Brake Horsepower (bhp). ps is 1.01389029706986 times Smaller than bhp.”
Engines are rated in kw for regulatory purposes, as required by EU/UK Type Approval - this is converted locally to PS on sales brochures.
A bhp is about 1.4% more than a PS
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I was looking at A5 2.0 TDI which in 2017 changed from S Tronic DSG to Tiptronic 8speed torque converter. Not the only model with this 8sp TC
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Obviously from a purely metrology or scientific perspective the difference between PS and BHP is important and no normal driver would be able to tell the difference between a a car with 100bhp or one with 100PS. There are many other variables that will swamp any difference that might technically exist.
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First tow today with the Kia Sorento, bit apprehensive to start with,
No need to have worried though, performed with ease, loved the cruise control especially through the road works speed limits.
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Thats great, are you putting Her/Him/Gender Neutral, on the season pitch again but ready to tour. ?
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Probably no seasonal but hopefully more touring, having a plan to delegate more at work, and if it works out we're off.
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