Wiring 12n and 12s caravan cables into single 13 pin euro plug

[johnandrew70]

Hi guys
i know this sounds like a silly question but here goes.
i have recently changed my tow car from a Nissan Xtrail to a VW Passat, i had a tow bar fitted to the car prior to picking it up and thought i would future proof things by going down the 13 pin euro socket Route on the car. not a bad thing i hear you all say but instead of fiddling with silly adaptors and stuff i thought i would wire the 2 (black and grey) cables on the caravan into a 13 pin euro plug, i have the euro plug that will except the 2 cables via a double entry grommit but i am somewhat confused as surely if my maths are correct the two 7 core cables equals 14?? and the 13 pin euro plug has... yes you guessed it 13

so what wire do i not connect??
has anyone here done this and what did they do to get around this??

 

[Sproket]

I can only presume that your socket's were wired like this
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12 n 12 s

has your grey cable got seven cores for the 12 s like in the attached photo ?
I would not connect the brown wire from your gey cable.........

 

[johnandrew70]

hi
ok so i dont need to connect the brown ? i was looking at the instructions for the 13 pin plug and they dont mention the fridge this is what they list.

• 
  Pin 1 Yellow L/H indicator
• Pin 2 Blue Fog lamps
• Pin 3 White Earth return
• Pin 4 Green R/H Indicator
• Pin 5 Brown R/H Tail lamps
• Pin 6 Red Stop lights
• Pin 7 Black L/H Tail lamps
• Pin 8 Reversing Light
• Pin 9 Permanent + 12V supply
• Pin 10 Ignition switched +12V supply
• Pin 11 Earth return for pin 10
• Pin 12 No allocation
• Pin 13 Earth return for pin 9

so according to these instructions the fridge is no longer connected
i havent checked the cable to see how many wires it has as its in storage and wont get access to it until saturday. just wanted to get kitted up with wiring diagram tools etc before hand as its a 30 mile round trip and dont want to be caught out.

 

[Sproket]

This is a link to Sargent Electrical ( I think the colours on here will be the right ones )

http://www.sargentltd.co.uk/ISO11446_Data.pdf
Pin 10 is your 12v+ for the fridge
I suggest printing it off & laminating it

I have one in my van in-case anything happens to the plug

 

[Damian]

The wiring of a 13 pin plug is pretty straightforward if you keep in mind that in the 13 pin plug, Pins 1 to 7 are a direct copy of the 12N(Black) cable.
So in the 13 pin plug using the Black 12N cable :
Pin 1 Yellow LH Indicator
Pin 2 Blue Rear Fog
Pin 3 White Negative Return for Pins 1 to 8
Pin 4 Green RH Indicator
Pin 5 Brown RH Tail Light
Pin 6 Red Brake Lights
Pin 7 Black LH Tail Light

Then using the 12S (Grey) Cable:
Pin 8 Yellow Reverse Light
Pin 9 Green Perm 12v +
Pin 10 Red Fridge 12v +
Pin 11 Black Negative Return for Pin 10
Pin 12 Brown Not Used
Pin 13 White Negative Return for Pin 9

The Blue and Brown wires in the 12S cable are not used but it is a good idea to wire in the brown for future use if required and cut off the Blue .

 

[johnandrew70]

hi guys
thanks for your replies, i will let you know how i get on on saturday when i try to wire the plug up.

 

[Gafferbill]

.........have you found this Practical Caravan step by step guide?

http://www.practicalcaravan.com/advice/convert-your-towcar-13-pin-electrics

If you follow the above guide be careful about step 3 where you are told to disconnect the negative lead to the car battery.
Refer to your handbook as some vehicles are sensitive to this (it often locks the radio for instance and you will need the code to reactivate it)

 

[johnandrew70]

Hi guys
well i managed to get the plug on and sorted

, but there is a problem

the chap that fitted the towbar has wired the switched live to a permanant source which means that its making the relay inside the van go nutty lol.
i have followed the wiring up to the fuse box on the car and can see that he has tapped into 2 different locations and used my multimeter to check that they are indeed both live. i have found an ignition live in the fuse box but think i will have a word with a vw techie before i go any further

i have to say that i quite like the 13pin euro plug, ok its a bit fiddly trying to get the plug through the cutout in the bumper then turn it but i have to say that the plug feels more robust and water resistant than the old plugs and i am glad i changed as the insides of the 12n and 12s were looking rather sorry for thereselves, now that i have done mine i have now been asked by someone else in storage if i could do theres. Happy Days lol

 

[Woody3]

The 13-pin does not have a designated fridge wire because it is not standard on continental caravans to have the fridge wrking from 12V, only from gas or mains.

Why not just by a 12N+12S to 13-pin adapter cable from somewhere like Towsure?

 

[johnandrew70]

whats the point in going half measures, if the car is 13 pin may as well spend £7 for the 13pin plug for the van, i guess i could have spent £23 on the silly adaptors but then you have the extra cable flapping about all over the place.
when you say the 13 pin has no fridge pin you are correct although they do have an ignition live source on pin 10 that the fridge runs from now instead of the dedicated wiring that caravans once had for a fridge, the van has a continuous live on pin 9 which runs lights etc then when the engine is started pin 10 becomes live and and the relay switches the continuous live off so that you are not driving around with your lights on i guess i am sure someone here will put me right if i am wrong. why dont they have fridges on the continant anyway lol

 

[Sproket]

Have you checked pin 11 (earth) on socket back to earth on car ????

My Hymer has a dedicated fridge wire & runs on 12v when being towed

& get's very cold

 

[Damian]

The 13 pin system does have a dedicated fridge pin, it is pin 10 with its own return on pin 11.

Continental caravanners do not normally have a battery in the van, they have a mains to 12v unit which when on site supplies the 12v for the lights and pump.
They never use sites without hook up or full facilities and vary rarely cook in the van, which is why european vans do not come with ful cookers as standard. They tend to use the van just for sleeping mainly.
As there is no call for the fridge wiring on continental vans, the makers of the dedicated 13 pin wiring harness do not include it or the 12v permanent live, you must ask your fitter to ensure the 13 pin socket is fully wired to UK spec and INCLUDES the fridge and 12v perm live and their respective returns, which normally means running two extra wires from the fuse box to the socket.

 

[DeliDave_]

Damien,Thanks for that info,CDF Towbars are fitting a 13 pin socket to my Hyundai tomorrow,I have printed out your post to show them if there is any confusion,shall we say.Although I am assured by Sir Roger that CDF are well respected and competent.

 

[RogerL]

Damien,Thanks for that info,CDF Towbars are fitting a 13 pin socket to my Hyundai tomorrow,I have printed out your post to show them if there is any confusion,shall we say.Although I am assured by Sir Roger that CDF are well respected and competent.

Good luck - hope CDF do a better job on your Hyundai than they did on mine - if they're respected they must give very variable service.

 

[DeliDave_]

Hi RogerL,
Have to say they seem to have done a good job,ran cables thjrough and all looks neat the bar looks solid and has sticker for compliance.He had a mockup of a trailer with lights for fridge and battery charging and showed it me working.Am impressed with the 13 pin socket but havent of course used it yet.Of course like any firm some fitters can give a bad reputation far easier than a good one but I am pleased anyway.

 

[jennifer_374357152]

When we bought our Sante Fa 3 months ago the dealers were going to use CDF. We were advised by someone on the Hyndai Owners Forum not to use them as they didn't do a very good job with the electrics. We haven't had a towbar fitted yet. Waiting for Witter to bring out a fixed flanged towbar which should be about now. We will use the fitters that Mitsubishi used on our previous car.

 

[oldievanner]

To make life easier, and the connector more waterproof, I used this connector http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/13-Pin-Conversion-Plug-Caravans-2-Cables-/160715698382?pt=UK_Trailers_Transporters_Parts&hash=item256b66f0ce which is really easy to fit, and comes with wiring details. My caravans grey cable only had six cables in it, the fridge and battery cables and the earth and the reverse cable.

 

[DeliDave_]

When we bought our Sante Fa 3 months ago the dealers were going to use CDF. We were advised by someone on the Hyndai Owners Forum not to use them as they didn't do a very good job with the electrics. We haven't had a towbar fitted yet. Waiting for Witter to bring out a fixed flanged towbar which should be about now. We will use the fitters that Mitsubishi used on our previous car.

Hi Jennifer
Can you tell me which Hyundai forum you use I joined one but it was mainly US posts which wern't much use to me.
Regards
Dave

 

[jennifer_374357152]

Hi Dave
It was the hyundai owners club of great britain.
Regards

Jenny

 

[RogerL]

Can you tell me which Hyundai forum you use I joined one but it was mainly US posts which wern't much use to me.
Regards
Dave

http://www.hyundaiownersclub.co.uk/forum/