Another sad day

[otherclive]

People do need to check the detail of the EuroNCAP scoring before buying, or rejecting, a specific model - my VW Touareg has no seat belt warnings for the 2nd row but I never driver off without verbally checking with passengers that they're all belted - so I have every confidence it just as safe as a car with 2nd and 3rd row seat belt warnings.

That’s what my point is as the NCAPS change every two years whilst car models aren’t updated that frequently. For example the outgoing Duster was tested quite a while back and received 3 stars, but as the new one was coming in the older model got loaded with quite a bit mor kit some of which had it been fitted to the original would have led it to receive 4 stars. The new one meanwhile is still only 3 stars but obviously was tested against a newer set of criteria.

 

[Buckman]

In the UK, the data from the SMMT would say otherwise for new sales.

Car Registrations

SMMT is the country’s primary source of data on the motor industry. Click here for the SMMT car registrations data published monthly

www.smmt.co.uk

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However many EVs are registered by the manufacturers themselves in order to get around the £15000 fine so probably not a true reflection. Also many EVs are for fleet sales as take up by the consumer is apparently still very low?

 

[Tobes]

There is definitely a variance in the Press perspective of sales and trends. As with all stats you can paint different pictures.
The Car Hire Companies have been ditching their EV fleet and not replacing at the same level.

The used EV market is well worth a look.
Allegedly the used EV prices have seriously bottomed. I admit we are tempted to take a very close look but at the moment need more convincing a medium sized EV can do 160 mile round winter trip , allowing for hold ups with heater on etc.

Son’s Volvo XC40 Recharge can’t do Cirencester to Harrogate in one go without being in the danger zone. A stop,at Nottingham for 30 mins is required.

The Volvo should suit us for the 160 but it is too pricey for a second car in the family.There’s a new Dacia coming out soon circa £15 k. Looks promising👍

Are more charging fast chargers being installed? Can’t say I’ve seen much being done near me?
On the basis the batteries generally have all lasted this list is most definitely got temptation😉

https://www.whatcar.com/best/best-cheap-used-electric-cars/n26622

Hire cars companies have a different issue with EVs. Their customer base are not all skilled on EV use, and they have problems with users being unaccustomed to charging and the power.

The Dacia is not going to give you the 200 mile range you are looking for... :-( But there are other options that will and are also a good buy used (MG4, ZoE ZE50).

New chargers are constantly being added. There are a number of places to get info on where, but my favourite right now is plugshare (you can see the data on a map without an account).
You can set a filter to include only "coming soon"; those chargers that have planing permission approved and are in process.

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[Mel]

Thanks Tobes. Will look at that one. So far we have used Zapmap.

EV charging stations & electric vehicles - Zapmap

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Mel

 

[GUMPY]

According to reports in various papers, EV sales are on the wane and not on the up? I can understand maybe the odd newspapers reporting falling sales and take it with a pinch of salt, but when it is mentioned in 3- 5 newspapers then I think that there may be some truth in it.

Who owns the papers?
Most papers sing from the same hymn sheet.
What they report is their version of the "truth" which may have no relation to what is actually going on.

 

[otherclive]

Who owns the papers?
Most papers sing from the same hymn sheet.
What they report is their version of the "truth" which may have no relation to what is actually going on.

So where does one go to get "the truth"?

 

[Dustydog]

So where does one go to get "the truth"?

The truth is out there but each journal seems to give their own slant. Eg some say nothing about the car hire industry which clearly distorts the figures.
Now if we could all easily see the breakdown between say Hire , Company Fleet and private individual, further broken down into size and value we may see a clearer picture.

 

[Tobes]

So where does one go to get "the truth"?

In this case, the source data from the SMMT, which I posted the link to.
@RogerL The month by month data is available, but it is only to buy, and is expensive. But the year on year and month on month, growth and absolute numbers are both up.

 

[Buckman]

Who owns the papers?
Most papers sing from the same hymn sheet.
What they report is their version of the "truth" which may have no relation to what is actually going on.

Maybe papers was the wrong word to use when I should have said car magazines and papers singing a similar hymn. It does seem very plausible?

 

[GUMPY]

Maybe papers was the wrong word to use when I should have said car magazines and papers singing a similar hymn. It does seem very plausible?

I can't speak about car magazines as it's many many years since I read them. My view on papers is whatever is in print is slanted to suit the owners purse so can never be relied upon.