That’s what my point is as the NCAPS change every two years whilst car models aren’t updated that frequently. For example the outgoing Duster was tested quite a while back and received 3 stars, but as the new one was coming in the older model got loaded with quite a bit mor kit some of which had it been fitted to the original would have led it to receive 4 stars. The new one meanwhile is still only 3 stars but obviously was tested against a newer set of criteria.
However many EVs are registered by the manufacturers themselves in order to get around the £15000 fine so probably not a true reflection. Also many EVs are for fleet sales as take up by the consumer is apparently still very low?In the UK, the data from the SMMT would say otherwise for new sales.
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Hire cars companies have a different issue with EVs. Their customer base are not all skilled on EV use, and they have problems with users being unaccustomed to charging and the power.There is definitely a variance in the Press perspective of sales and trends. As with all stats you can paint different pictures.
The Car Hire Companies have been ditching their EV fleet and not replacing at the same level.
The used EV market is well worth a look.
Allegedly the used EV prices have seriously bottomed. I admit we are tempted to take a very close look but at the moment need more convincing a medium sized EV can do 160 mile round winter trip , allowing for hold ups with heater on etc.
Son’s Volvo XC40 Recharge can’t do Cirencester to Harrogate in one go without being in the danger zone. A stop,at Nottingham for 30 mins is required.
The Volvo should suit us for the 160 but it is too pricey for a second car in the family.There’s a new Dacia coming out soon circa £15 k. Looks promising👍
Are more charging fast chargers being installed? Can’t say I’ve seen much being done near me?
On the basis the batteries generally have all lasted this list is most definitely got temptation😉
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Who owns the papers?
The truth is out there but each journal seems to give their own slant. Eg some say nothing about the car hire industry which clearly distorts the figures.
In this case, the source data from the SMMT, which I posted the link to.
Maybe papers was the wrong word to use when I should have said car magazines and papers singing a similar hymn. It does seem very plausible?
I can't speak about car magazines as it's many many years since I read them. My view on papers is whatever is in print is slanted to suit the owners purse so can never be relied upon.
It's not clear how many of those EV sales are pre-registrations subsequently sold at a substantial discount to save the manufacturer paying fines for not meeting the government mandated 22% EV sales for 2024. It's going to be harder next year at 28%Latest SMMT figures show an increasing sales for EV eleven months in a row, but still below the Government’s target percentage.
Electric cars make up one in four sold in November
Sales of electric vehicles grow for the eleventh straight month as manufacturers offer steep discounts.www.bbc.co.uk
www.autoexpress.co.uk
Just because a target is stated it doesn’t mean it’s feasible to achieve it. Look at today’s announcements. It’s not that long ago that we were offered 30 new hospitals and 8 nuclear power stations by 2030. 🙈It's not clear how many of those EV sales are pre-registrations subsequently sold at a substantial discount to save the manufacturer paying fines for not meeting the government mandated 22% EV sales for 2024. It's going to be harder next year at 28%
EVs now 25% of new cars sold, with help from £4bn in manufacturer discounts | Auto Express
Latest car sales figures show EV market share is up, but only because manufacturers are paying the price
"Yet despite these discounts, estimated by the SMMT to be in the realm of £4billion, annual EV market share in the UK still remains below the specified target, at 18.7 per cent"
The pre-registration is really skewing the figures, but probably cheaper than paying a £15000 fine per unit. If that fine was dropped then we will see the true figures.It's not clear how many of those EV sales are pre-registrations subsequently sold at a substantial discount to save the manufacturer paying fines for not meeting the government mandated 22% EV sales for 2024. It's going to be harder next year at 28%
EVs now 25% of new cars sold, with help from £4bn in manufacturer discounts | Auto Express
Latest car sales figures show EV market share is up, but only because manufacturers are paying the price
"Yet despite these discounts, estimated by the SMMT to be in the realm of £4billion, annual EV market share in the UK still remains below the specified target, at 18.7 per cent"
Pre-registration is not a phenomenon new with EV sales, it's been present in the industry for years. It was and is practiced by both dealers and manufacturers to help show sales on monthly, quarterly and annual sales boundaries, and in line with the changes in registration plates.
4Bn is a lot. But how much is pre-reg for ICE? It is a big number, but compared to what?
Within both Stellantis and VW Group, each brand has models which are at different points in their production cycle so there will be substantial differences despite sharing underpinnings within each group.
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It’s been apparent for some months now at our local Kia dealership who have been sellng pre owned electric prestige marques at low prices and not particularly high mileages.It looks like leasing companies may have to take a massive hit on EV residual values - "Some EVs, originally forecast to retain over 40% of their list price after three years, are achieving sale values in the 20% range" which is a horrendous level of depreciation.
Plummeting used values could slow EV take-up further, claims new report | Auto Express
Lease companies can’t afford to sell ex-fleet vehicles, so will re-lease the old ones instead
Maybe new ICE vehicles, but not second hand. The price of second hand ICE vehicles will probably rocket up. More than likely it will be put back to 2035, then 2040, then 2045 etc.
Probably - there's a significant minority of drivers determined not to buy an EV by that date so there's likely to be a flood of IC purchases in 2029 and car makers are likely to start 2030 with minimal inventory of IC cars - and the demand for used IC cars will go up as the target EV % ramps up and car makers either restrict IC sales or increase prices of IC cars to cover the fines.
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