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I think many people are wishing for global, warming! It is spring and normally the lowest temperature is about 10C during the night with daytime reaching +20C. This is Kwazulu Natal today. People have been stuck in cars for 12 hours on the motorway and they are totally unprepared for this type of weather as it never happens.

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It would be about now you thank God you still drive a petrol vehicle with a heater.
 
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I just don't understand you Softy Southerners, 1 minute you are greeting about no water, hose pipe bans, then you greet about to much water. Just get on with it!
 
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I just don't understand you Softy Southerners, 1 minute you are greeting about no water, hose pipe bans, then you greet about to much water. Just get on with it!
What hose pipe bans? In many parts they need more eater, not less. As for hose pipe bans there has not been one for several years!
 
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It would be about now you thank God you still drive a petrol vehicle with a heater.
Doesn’t that use energy (fuel) to provide heat? EVs are widely fitted with heat pumps that are very efficient and use much less energy than would initially be thought. Norwegians seem to get on okay.
 
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Doesn’t that use energy (fuel) to provide heat? EVs are widely fitted with heat pumps that are very efficient and use much less energy than would initially be thought. Norwegians seem to get on okay.
However it is extremely unlikely there were any EVs stuck in that snow! Actually being sensible people there are hardly any EVs in SA. :ROFLMAO:
 
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I just don't understand you Softy Southerners, 1 minute you are greeting about no water, hose pipe bans, then you greet about to much water. Just get on with it!
Well so far we are stopping in Lincolnshire not much water more like sunshine and there is a farmer picking up bales from the fields beyond.
 
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However it is extremely unlikely there were any EVs stuck in that snow! Actually being sensible people there are hardly any EVs in SA. :ROFLMAO:
I guess there’s not much charging infrastructure and is the power supply network reliable enough. There are bound to be countries where ICE will be required for years to come.
 
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I guess there’s not much charging infrastructure and is the power supply network reliable enough. There are bound to be countries where ICE will be required for years to come.
I believe that we're living in one of them . If every car on the road in the UK was swapped for an EV tomorrow, the fuses would blow in the power stations. ;)
 
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However that is what the govt wants to happen by 2030!
2030 is the date that ICE cars will no longer be available to be bought new (I think it's 2035 for hybrids). The prediction is that by 2040 50% of cars on uk roads will be ICE. Apparently our electric grid will be able to cope with that, but supply will have to be managed.
 
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2030 is the date that ICE cars will no longer be available to be bought new (I think it's 2035 for hybrids). The prediction is that by 2040 50% of cars on uk roads will be ICE. Apparently our electric grid will be able to cope with that, but supply will have to be managed.
The last Government repealed it’s 2020 policy last year.

 
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However the way things are going, it may end up being another true fantasy! :ROFLMAO:
The far more troubling law is the requirement for makers to sell a set percentage of sales as full EV. If they don’t then for every ICE car sold above the limit I think a fine of up to £15000 could be levied. That’s in now and the percentage EV rises year on year. The latest figure show EV sales at 17% against a target of 22%. Hence one reason possibly why choice in ICE is limited and used EV prices are 8.5% below like for like ICE. Our local Kia dealer is rammed full with very nice EVs of various makes at attractive prices.

Business needs reasonable certainty to make long term investment decisions. Unfortunately many politicians only tend to look towards the next local or general elections to court popularity and garner nice headlines.
 
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The last Government repealed it’s 2020 policy last year.

And the current Government have vowed to reinstate it. (Not that I expect any politician to remain true to their word).

 
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And the current Government have vowed to reinstate it. (Not that I expect any politician to remain true to their word).

Yes but the law is as I described it, and with the effects of the progressive EV sales policy they would face a double whammy with an even shorter timescale.....not good PR. Perhaps it would be best to let a Chinese manufacturer set up a factory in UK. :eek:
 
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The far more troubling law is the requirement for makers to sell a set percentage of sales as full EV. If they don’t then for every ICE car sold above the limit I think a fine of up to £15000 could be levied. That’s in now and the percentage EV rises year on year. The latest figure show EV sales at 17% against a target of 22%. Hence one reason possibly why choice in ICE is limited and used EV prices are 8.5% below like for like ICE. Our local Kia dealer is rammed full with very nice EVs of various makes at attractive prices.

Business needs reasonable certainty to make long term investment decisions. Unfortunately many politicians only tend to look towards the next local or general elections to court popularity and garner nice headlines.
Not sure why people should be "forced" into buying something they don't want due to their circumstances. Also see no reason why any government should have such draconian laws to force a supplier to meet a target in sales of a niche product.
 
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Not sure why people should be "forced" into buying something they don't want due to their circumstances. Also see no reason why any government should have such draconian laws to force a supplier to meet a target in sales of a niche product.
I appreciate that many don’t support such laws being introduced but there are times when it’s necessary for a Government to take strategic decisions for the long term good that may not be popular. Such things come to mind as clean air acts to get rid of smog, car emissions to reduce pollution and improve health in cities, smoking and alcohol legislation, plus rules on junk food. All are areas where citizens would probably just carry on regardless if nothing was done. The transition to electric vehicles is aimed totally at moving towards the 2050 targets for carbon dioxide emissions to try and counter the predicted worst effects of Global Warming. Not doing anything isn’t an option, we owe it to our children and future generations. But ICE are not going to disappear in any short time frame so there will be options available, albeit possibly restricted for brand new vehicle purchases as the cut off date approaches.
 
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The previous Government's ban on the sale of ICE cars and small vans which was moved to 2035 is expected to be brought back to 2030 by the new Labour government.

The ban is on the sale of NEW Internal Combustion Engined cars, it does not affect the sale of second-hand ICE vehicles or vehicle in other type categories.

The deadline is not a guillotine on car drivers to change to EV (or Hybrid) vehicles, only for the registration of new vehicles, so there will be a substantial period where a mix of ICE and other car technologies will share the roads.

Assuming the government holds its nerve, the proportion of EV cars on the roads will transition towards 100%, If there are no new strategies introduced and the situation remains fairly constant This will take at least two decades to reach about 95% change over.

Crucially the Electrical energy supply industry has time to keep abreast of changing demand, and the National Grid has publicly stated the grid does have the capacity to cope, but there may need to be changes at the local level, such as " smart" charging to even out peak demands.

Smart charging can help balance the grid, taking up excess generation , and many newer EV's do have the ability to interact with the grid and can actually help to support the grid if demand it exceptional in a locality.

However other factors may well affect the rate of change:-

Not least will be the cost of Dino Juice, Over and above general inflation, as more drivers transition to EV's conventional petrol and diesel suppliers will see demand begin to fall. With lower volumes, it will see the financial and energy costs of exploring, extracting, transporting, refining and distribution having to be borne by fewer units being sold means the pump price will disproportionately rise. Caravanners may have a double whammy becasue less petrol and diesel usage will also affect the availability and cost of LPG.

More locations may charge or ban ICE vehicles in certain areas.

Fewer users will almost certainly cause more fuel stations to find other opportunities, it could mean some places will not be able to sustain a viable filling station. Its closure means the locals may have to go electric.

Governments may change rates of fuel duty to further encourage drivers to change.

Alternatives such as Hydrogen for mass adoption, are far too complex to set up and run, and too far behind in development to have any practical hope of usurping EV's unless a sudden massive breakthrough in the technology and management of the gas is found.

The same applies to Synth Fuel, which is based on Hydrogen anyway.

EV's are far from a niche product. Even here in the UK the take up of EV's is rapidly increasing encouraged by some good second hand cars and a raft of new more affordable imports.

So far no one in the UK has been forced to buy an EV.
 
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I wonder how those living in high rise flats or live in terraced houses will be able to charge an E.V.? You'd have lot of copper cables dangling or trip hazards not to mention possible theft
 
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I started the thread regarding the heavy snowfall in SOUTH AFRICA and people being unprepared for it and once again we have the pro EVs wallahs coming out of the woodwork.

EVs have been done to DEATH so can we please give it a break and can all those pro EVs posters please crawl back into their hole to give us all a break from their views. Thank you!
 

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