I have recently recieved the latest club magazine. I don't know whether I am getting paranoid in my old age but is the club becoming an offshot of "The Green Party"? If I had wanted political balderdash thrown down my throat I would have joined a political party but as my interest is caravan holidays and all things associated with caravanning I joined a caravan and camping club. If they continue as they have been for the past few months I will definately be resigning from the club and making my feelings known to them.
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Liz only once have I been on a club rally and my wife and I were treated as leppers. The only couple who befriended us were an English couple who were touring Wales and stopped at the rally for the weekend. We only continue our membership for the benefit of the favourable RAC membership and if push comes to shove I am sure I could find similar cover or negotiate with the RAC myself.
If you have only been on a club rally once, like all clubs you have to give them a chance, once you have been on a rally 3 or more times people accept you, don't ask me why, I don't know thats the way it is with most clubs. Like down here the clubs/pubs can be very clicky, they all stare, but once you keep going, they get used to you, you would have great fun.
You really surprise me with your attitude and banter, I think you would fit in anywhere, so don't take C&CC Mag. to heart.
Regards Liz
You really surprise me with your attitude and banter, I think you would fit in anywhere, so don't take C&CC Mag. to heart.
Regards Liz
Colin, I thought the same thing.In fact, I've only glanced at it, but this morning I see herself has put it among the recycle stuff. I think that says it all.
whats wrong with green issues colin? considering the anti-green stance of some contributors to this forum theres no wonder a green debate never gets going and when someone does it,s hijacked by the dont preach to me brigade write what you like say what you want but dont mention my 4x4 the green issue will not go away in fact it will get worse or better depends on your point of view.
I stand back waiting for the flak sorry I mentioned 4x4 naughty me
I stand back waiting for the flak sorry I mentioned 4x4 naughty me
Colin I have respect for any person who has a belief which may be different to mine whether they be green issues or what have you. What I am trying to say is that there is a place for each and every topic to be aired when the appropriate time arrives. I begrudge paying membership to a society for which I have an interest and then that society goes off on a tangent for which there is no apparent reason. It is as if they are trying to brainwash all caravanners to their way of thinking. It is bad enough having it rammed down our throats day and night by the media and then when a magazine for which I have contributed to in funds goes down the same route I am annoyed.
obviously it depends on your particular point of view as to what brainwashing is if your anti-green its brainwashing if your pro-green it persuasion to change and lets face it we need change I will make a bold statement carravaning is not green apart from the grass we park on.
its a brown hobby if you'll pardon the expression and its getting browner (sorry again)remember my post there's a storm comming and all the flak I got for bringing it up well I stand by every word.
if the c&cc magazine wishes to put forward a their particular point of view good for them if its not to your taste, bin it many do un-opened. I am a fisherman and buy my rod licence every year and in doing so recieve the enviroment agency news letter when published whether I want it or not its 5% about angling and 95% about other issues like water management so it goes in the bin (once ive seperated the plastic from the paper and the paper from the card ect) if I want to read about fishing I buy the angling times.
I do understand and sympathize in a way the point that your making but a club any club that only premotes only narrow views about its self without any concernes as to the bigger picture would be a poor club to be a member of
conservation and green issues are important too important to be ignored by any club the c&cc in its magazine are doing just that facing up to the issues that concern them as a club, no more no less.
its a brown hobby if you'll pardon the expression and its getting browner (sorry again)remember my post there's a storm comming and all the flak I got for bringing it up well I stand by every word.
if the c&cc magazine wishes to put forward a their particular point of view good for them if its not to your taste, bin it many do un-opened. I am a fisherman and buy my rod licence every year and in doing so recieve the enviroment agency news letter when published whether I want it or not its 5% about angling and 95% about other issues like water management so it goes in the bin (once ive seperated the plastic from the paper and the paper from the card ect) if I want to read about fishing I buy the angling times.
I do understand and sympathize in a way the point that your making but a club any club that only premotes only narrow views about its self without any concernes as to the bigger picture would be a poor club to be a member of
conservation and green issues are important too important to be ignored by any club the c&cc in its magazine are doing just that facing up to the issues that concern them as a club, no more no less.
Colin I would agree with on certain aspects of your reply. I cannot agree however when you say caravanning is not a green hobby. Reading many reports it would appear to be far more environmentally friendly than jetting off for two weeks to Costa Del ?????? Why is it now becoming so popular? Apparantly it is now a multi million pound industry. With reference to your hobby of fishing I would have thought that environmental issues would be of greater importance as with polluted waters the fish would die thereby starving your hobby of the pleasure of fishing. In south wales the rivers were at one time black with coal pollution and very little form of fish life. Nowadays the rivers are clean, well stocked with fish and there are many river fishermen/women out during the season.
Regarding the C&CC magazine there is an article every month by Dr. Bellamy and on many occassions I agree with what he has printed. However to have it virtually on every editorial page of the magazine is over the top. Emminent scientists have proven and it was broadcast a few months ago on television that what is happening to the world is a repaeat of two previous occurrances many thousands of years ago and it is a natural cycle. I will agree that man is also contributing, but when compared to nature's own efforts the contribution from man is very small. Obviously I am not a specialist on these matters and I can only make a judgement on what I read/see in the media. Perhaps the media is scaremongering - perhaps not.
Regarding the C&CC magazine there is an article every month by Dr. Bellamy and on many occassions I agree with what he has printed. However to have it virtually on every editorial page of the magazine is over the top. Emminent scientists have proven and it was broadcast a few months ago on television that what is happening to the world is a repaeat of two previous occurrances many thousands of years ago and it is a natural cycle. I will agree that man is also contributing, but when compared to nature's own efforts the contribution from man is very small. Obviously I am not a specialist on these matters and I can only make a judgement on what I read/see in the media. Perhaps the media is scaremongering - perhaps not.
hi colin
green hobbys:- fishing,archery,skiing,stamp collecting,gardening,kite flying,wind surfing,gliding,metal detecting,crown green bowling,sailing,ect,ect,
brown hobbies:-any form of motorsport, water skiing,hot air ballooning,jetting off to the costa fortune,and caravanning,
but only the last one effects the majority of us bigger and heavier vans requiring bigger heavier vehicles to tow them more gas appliances on board and when we get there theres the blue plug into the national grid.
the more popular caravanning gets the bigger the problem becomes that is if you can see a problem at all. yesterday I went to my local dealer for advice on buying and fitting a solar panel with a view to ditching the blue plug forever.
quite a nice knowligeable chap been selling vans for 30 years about as long as Iv'e been using them what he told me I could hardly believe the smallest van he had for sale new was 18ft and the lightest was 1680kg net weight, I stock them because that what sells he said, what about towing them I said about 95% are for customers with 4x4s what about the other 5% oh going straight on to a site not being towed at all. he also told me that none of the manufacturers he stocks fit solar panels as standard, not enough power to run the vans perminantly on 12v he said thats what the hookups for, I made my excuses and left. and thats just one dealer in many
as for enviromental damage and climate change I have also read and seen the reports you mention but unfortuneatly most seem to come out of the USA. you know the place that pumps out 20%+ of the worlds co2 immissions and by the way its also the place where evolution can't be taught in schools because god made the earth in 7 days .
green hobbys:- fishing,archery,skiing,stamp collecting,gardening,kite flying,wind surfing,gliding,metal detecting,crown green bowling,sailing,ect,ect,
brown hobbies:-any form of motorsport, water skiing,hot air ballooning,jetting off to the costa fortune,and caravanning,
but only the last one effects the majority of us bigger and heavier vans requiring bigger heavier vehicles to tow them more gas appliances on board and when we get there theres the blue plug into the national grid.
the more popular caravanning gets the bigger the problem becomes that is if you can see a problem at all. yesterday I went to my local dealer for advice on buying and fitting a solar panel with a view to ditching the blue plug forever.
quite a nice knowligeable chap been selling vans for 30 years about as long as Iv'e been using them what he told me I could hardly believe the smallest van he had for sale new was 18ft and the lightest was 1680kg net weight, I stock them because that what sells he said, what about towing them I said about 95% are for customers with 4x4s what about the other 5% oh going straight on to a site not being towed at all. he also told me that none of the manufacturers he stocks fit solar panels as standard, not enough power to run the vans perminantly on 12v he said thats what the hookups for, I made my excuses and left. and thats just one dealer in many
as for enviromental damage and climate change I have also read and seen the reports you mention but unfortuneatly most seem to come out of the USA. you know the place that pumps out 20%+ of the worlds co2 immissions and by the way its also the place where evolution can't be taught in schools because god made the earth in 7 days .
Hands UP,
Who has been on a CC site and found A bin for Bottles.
A bin for Cans.
A bin for Plastic Bottles.
or just a bin for the lot ???
We have
Val & Frank
Who has been on a CC site and found A bin for Bottles.
A bin for Cans.
A bin for Plastic Bottles.
or just a bin for the lot ???
We have
Val & Frank
good point frankHands UP,
Who has been on a CC site and found A bin for Bottles.
A bin for Cans.
A bin for Plastic Bottles.
or just a bin for the lot ???
We have
Val & Frank
Hi folks,
Troutbeck CC site in the Lake District recycles in separate bins,but it is the local authorities all over the country who say whether they are willing to collect it or not.
Troutbeck CC site in the Lake District recycles in separate bins,but it is the local authorities all over the country who say whether they are willing to collect it or not.
WE have WHAT? - been on a site that recycles or been on a site which does not.Hands UP,
Who has been on a CC site and found A bin for Bottles.
A bin for Cans.
A bin for Plastic Bottles.
or just a bin for the lot ???
We have
Val & Frank
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