Have just read through all the comments and it clearly becomes a love/hate dog arguement. Maybe the wardens on the sites need to be retrained - have you ever seen them walk around checking everything is okay cause we haven't except on c+cc sites. We only got the caravan cause of our dog and if the caravan club bans dogs they will be a few members down i expect. Not a good idea in these financial times, still cc sites with only children what fun - NOT.
Reply to Normans comment hidden under the note from Glenn.
I suspect people who complain in the Club mag or here have not taken the issue up with the Warden at the time.
As per the CC Dig survey, perhaps a simple leaflet should be provided to everyone informing them that if they have problems with other people, kids, speeders or dog owners that they should report it at the time.
It could also be that if they couldn't complain about dogs they'd find something else like people with bigger vans than thiers or 4x4's or people watching too much telly.
Partly agree about wardens, perhaps they should be better trained to deal with the very small % of people causing problems.
Sorry I put this in as a comment.
Reply to Normans comment hidden under the note from Glenn.
I suspect people who complain in the Club mag or here have not taken the issue up with the Warden at the time.
As per the CC Dig survey, perhaps a simple leaflet should be provided to everyone informing them that if they have problems with other people, kids, speeders or dog owners that they should report it at the time.
It could also be that if they couldn't complain about dogs they'd find something else like people with bigger vans than thiers or 4x4's or people watching too much telly.
Partly agree about wardens, perhaps they should be better trained to deal with the very small % of people causing problems
Reply to Normans comment hidden under the note from Glenn.
I suspect people who complain in the Club mag or here have not taken the issue up with the Warden at the time.
As per the CC Dig survey, perhaps a simple leaflet should be provided to everyone informing them that if they have problems with other people, kids, speeders or dog owners that they should report it at the time.
It could also be that if they couldn't complain about dogs they'd find something else like people with bigger vans than thiers or 4x4's or people watching too much telly.
Partly agree about wardens, perhaps they should be better trained to deal with the very small % of people causing problems
As a dog and child owner I think people need to crawl back into their shells and stick to the point in hand, fill in your response and get on with it. Perhaps the miseries would like to jolly well trot off van in tow to europe or somewhere, then hopefully stay there!!
Hi,
OT.... sorry!
We used to walk our German Shepherd along the Neath Canal towpath. Line abreast, me on one side, wife on the other, dog on leash between us. Suddenly a voice would say "EXCUSE ME" right in our ears, as a bike wheel would appear between on of us and the dog. Can I rant about the "Silent Brigade" and their lack of bells?
Whatever, we were walking along the Brecon Canal, met a lady walking her dog. I queried her experience with bikes on that canal. She told me a cyclist had given her a mouthful because her dog was in his way. She now carries a piece of paper provided by the canal managers, to say that cyclists should give way to pedestrians .... and dogs. I love it.
602
OT.... sorry!
We used to walk our German Shepherd along the Neath Canal towpath. Line abreast, me on one side, wife on the other, dog on leash between us. Suddenly a voice would say "EXCUSE ME" right in our ears, as a bike wheel would appear between on of us and the dog. Can I rant about the "Silent Brigade" and their lack of bells?
Whatever, we were walking along the Brecon Canal, met a lady walking her dog. I queried her experience with bikes on that canal. She told me a cyclist had given her a mouthful because her dog was in his way. She now carries a piece of paper provided by the canal managers, to say that cyclists should give way to pedestrians .... and dogs. I love it.
602
Just completed the survey
we are retired and if we could not take our dog or restricted to special sites we would sell our caravan.
We have had no problems with our dog or any other and we travel to sites nearly every month of the year
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
we are retired and if we could not take our dog or restricted to special sites we would sell our caravan.
We have had no problems with our dog or any other and we travel to sites nearly every month of the year
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I was a member of the CCC and CC. Last year we were at Sandringham (CCC site) and two days into our holiday two families from hell arrived. I could cope with the Elvis music coming from van one, I could cope with the child which screamed 'shut up' to the dogs each hour. What I couldn't cope with was the fact they had two lab x's both tied to the same tree from morning till late evening. All the dogs did was bark and howl. Now, not one to mince my words, even I didn't dare confront them.
All around us, other people had dogs, some had more than one as we do. No problems with their dogs.
On the morning of day three, I was sitting in the awning and got a nasty glare from the wonderful owner of said dogs. If looks could kill, I'd be dead. Anyway, I heard her scream to the bloke she was with 'what do you mean, they've complained? Did you tell 'em it wasn't our fu***** dogs barking? To which he replied with well, you can imagine.
Maybe they don't do anything with their dogs at home and the dogs are bored as hell and bark and howl continuously, so to the owners, why should a campsite be any different?
Anyway, it transpires someone or maybe a few people had complained and they were asked to leave immediately.
That's what the CC wardens should do and if these horrible people start to get nasty, simple, dial 999.
I don't allow my dogs in the caravan at all. I'm fortunate that my dogs will quite happily sleep in crates in the awning and not make a sound. They are not left unnattended in the awning when they are on the loose in there either. The only time the male dog will bark or growl is if someone tried to enter the awning without being invited in. And that's ok because that's part of his job.
Lisa
All around us, other people had dogs, some had more than one as we do. No problems with their dogs.
On the morning of day three, I was sitting in the awning and got a nasty glare from the wonderful owner of said dogs. If looks could kill, I'd be dead. Anyway, I heard her scream to the bloke she was with 'what do you mean, they've complained? Did you tell 'em it wasn't our fu***** dogs barking? To which he replied with well, you can imagine.
Maybe they don't do anything with their dogs at home and the dogs are bored as hell and bark and howl continuously, so to the owners, why should a campsite be any different?
Anyway, it transpires someone or maybe a few people had complained and they were asked to leave immediately.
That's what the CC wardens should do and if these horrible people start to get nasty, simple, dial 999.
I don't allow my dogs in the caravan at all. I'm fortunate that my dogs will quite happily sleep in crates in the awning and not make a sound. They are not left unnattended in the awning when they are on the loose in there either. The only time the male dog will bark or growl is if someone tried to enter the awning without being invited in. And that's ok because that's part of his job.
Lisa
Eventually found the survey. The nuber of dogs is not an issue, the issue is whether you can control them to prevent them barking every 5 minutes.
We sometimes leave our dogs in the caravan for a short while even on a hot day as the caravan is a lot cooler than a hot car parked in a supermarket car park and they have plenty of water and blown air. The only other time we do this is when we pop out of the local pub for a pint or two and this is generally in the evenings. We do not see anything wrong with thsi if the dogs are well behaved and trained.
We know that they will not bark unless someone actually banged on the side of the caravan and a Yorky does not have a loud bark they just yap!
We sometimes leave our dogs in the caravan for a short while even on a hot day as the caravan is a lot cooler than a hot car parked in a supermarket car park and they have plenty of water and blown air. The only other time we do this is when we pop out of the local pub for a pint or two and this is generally in the evenings. We do not see anything wrong with thsi if the dogs are well behaved and trained.
We know that they will not bark unless someone actually banged on the side of the caravan and a Yorky does not have a loud bark they just yap!
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We do not see anything wrong with thsi if the dogs are well behaved and trained.
We know that they will not bark unless someone actually banged on the side of the caravan and a Yorky does not have a loud bark they just yap!
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But that's part of the problem Ian. If someone sets your dogs off, you're not there to stop them and whether they bark or yap, they're causing a nuisance to other people.
Lisa
We do not see anything wrong with thsi if the dogs are well behaved and trained.
We know that they will not bark unless someone actually banged on the side of the caravan and a Yorky does not have a loud bark they just yap!
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But that's part of the problem Ian. If someone sets your dogs off, you're not there to stop them and whether they bark or yap, they're causing a nuisance to other people.
Lisa
As Ms Smythe of Axminster observed in her letter to the CC magazine, "more than 50% of caravanners had brought their pets".
Perhaps this should tell her something??!
Perhaps this should tell her something??!
Well, reading the letter in the CC mag, it smells planted to me. Nicely worded with a prepared comment from the Editor due to the letters and comments received re dogs on sites. Looks to me as though they're priming us for an introduction of charging for dogs. Brilliant. Another bit of discrimination for me and the dogs. Along with the rest of Cornwall, I pay the highest water charges in the UK and yet find myself and the dogs banned from the beach three minutes from my front door for seven months of the year. If the CC start charging, they won't have many dogs on their sites ... but they'll have a lot of empty pitches!
Helen (getting very fed up!)
Helen (getting very fed up!)
yes if they had to pay for them on site they would not bring them or find somewhere else where they were still free
Good point Nick, I missed that one.
If the majority take pets perhaps there should some more saerching questions on the CC site:-
Should non dog owners be allowed on all Sites ?
Should there be an extra charge if you DON'T take a pet?
Should there be a leaflet warning non dog owners how to behave?
Hee hee, well spotted Nick, lucky someone's paying attention
If the majority take pets perhaps there should some more saerching questions on the CC site:-
Should non dog owners be allowed on all Sites ?
Should there be an extra charge if you DON'T take a pet?
Should there be a leaflet warning non dog owners how to behave?
Hee hee, well spotted Nick, lucky someone's paying attention
I think it's just a pre cursor to introducing fees for dogs. Pure and simple.
The CC has just realised there's money to be made by charging for dogs.
They won't instruct their wardens to ask irresponsible dog owners to leave, the same as they won't instruct their wardens to ask trouble makers and parents/carers of unruly children to leave.
I only stay in the club for the caravan insurance and have only used a handful of their sites in all the years I've been a member.
Lisa
The CC has just realised there's money to be made by charging for dogs.
They won't instruct their wardens to ask irresponsible dog owners to leave, the same as they won't instruct their wardens to ask trouble makers and parents/carers of unruly children to leave.
I only stay in the club for the caravan insurance and have only used a handful of their sites in all the years I've been a member.
Lisa
More to the point, should they allows brats and their parents on site.
Dogs behaviour is down to the owner as is child behaviour. When in the UK we've not had any problems with dogs, we've seen more of annoying children and their equally or even more annoying parents
I don't see why the CC should pick on dog ownership and the survey is flawed and an ill conceived!
We're not dog owners but it is and insult to all the countless dog owners who belong to the club and have paid to use the sites.
Dogs behaviour is down to the owner as is child behaviour. When in the UK we've not had any problems with dogs, we've seen more of annoying children and their equally or even more annoying parents
I don't see why the CC should pick on dog ownership and the survey is flawed and an ill conceived!
We're not dog owners but it is and insult to all the countless dog owners who belong to the club and have paid to use the sites.
I'm disgusted with the CC re: the way they have went about this. I don't want this to become a dog versus kids issue but I truly wonder how many complaints and letter they get about unruly kids and I have never seen any of those make "letter of the month". What is the point that the author of that letter is trying to make? If the king charles spaniels owner had paid a nominal fee would the dogs have barked less? Also what duluded planet is the author of the letter on that he/she believes that because "people are feeling the pinch" they have stopped putting their dogs in kennels to go abroad and going a caravan holiday with them instead. Mmmmm a really money saver that is, isn't it.....
a holiday abroad + kennel fees =
a holiday abroad + kennel fees =
Hi,
What would happen if they started charging for dogs ....... and I rolled up with a team of Huskies pulling my caravan. Tale a look at the CC logo. Does that imply that I can bring my horse?
And at the risk is being disenfranchised, what should you do if your car breaks down at the North Pole?
Answer, take the "dogs" out of the gearbox, hitch them to your front bumper, and shout "Mesh! Mesh!". I'll get my Parka.
602
What would happen if they started charging for dogs ....... and I rolled up with a team of Huskies pulling my caravan. Tale a look at the CC logo. Does that imply that I can bring my horse?
And at the risk is being disenfranchised, what should you do if your car breaks down at the North Pole?
Answer, take the "dogs" out of the gearbox, hitch them to your front bumper, and shout "Mesh! Mesh!". I'll get my Parka.
602
And then Mr Brown and Mr Darling will want to reintroduce the old dog licence fee to clear the National Debt.
What a dogs life.LOL
Cheers
Dustydog
What a dogs life.LOL
Cheers
Dustydog
Can definitely see charges coming in here, especially when they,ve dog walking areas on sites, they probaly have to pay ground rates on.
In fact I was looking at a site just the other day which specifically listed charges for dogs.
Whether they vary the charge in line with the size or number of dogs is debatable though.
In fact with the political situation at the moment whoever wins the election is going to try and claw back money from wherever and that will be past on to Joe(sephine) public whether directly or indirectly.
Perhaps the only way to do it is have no child, no dog sites and charge a premium for this.
Tom
In fact I was looking at a site just the other day which specifically listed charges for dogs.
Whether they vary the charge in line with the size or number of dogs is debatable though.
In fact with the political situation at the moment whoever wins the election is going to try and claw back money from wherever and that will be past on to Joe(sephine) public whether directly or indirectly.
Perhaps the only way to do it is have no child, no dog sites and charge a premium for this.
Tom
Hi All
I've not yet looked at the survey but will do and fill it in as a dog lover although at present we don't have one.
It isn't usually the dogs that are the problem, more their owners. A recent trip to Longleat illustrates this. The toilet block was behind our 'van with a grassy area in between. One morning a guy was there with his dog walking it up and down until it did it's business. The guy did, in fairness, pick it up but it was obvious that he couldn't be bothered to walk for a couple of minutes to the dog walk. The dog didn't know it should go to the 'walk'.
One major point is about Rules. Where sites are open to non-members, and this appears to be about 66% of all the CC sites, any non-members using the site will not have a copy of the club rules so it is a good excuse for them to say, "I didn't know I should have taken my dog there ! ! ! "
I am very tollerant of dogs on sites but not the ones that incessantly yap or bark, although none at Longleat were anywhere near as noisy as Buster the male sealine in the lake close to the site. He 'barked' all day and all night long !
On a final note, perhaps the club should put up signs similar to the ones for dogs reading "Everyone loves your child . . on a lead". I agree with other sentiments that unruly children are as bad, if not worse, than dogs.
Regards
JohnM
I've not yet looked at the survey but will do and fill it in as a dog lover although at present we don't have one.
It isn't usually the dogs that are the problem, more their owners. A recent trip to Longleat illustrates this. The toilet block was behind our 'van with a grassy area in between. One morning a guy was there with his dog walking it up and down until it did it's business. The guy did, in fairness, pick it up but it was obvious that he couldn't be bothered to walk for a couple of minutes to the dog walk. The dog didn't know it should go to the 'walk'.
One major point is about Rules. Where sites are open to non-members, and this appears to be about 66% of all the CC sites, any non-members using the site will not have a copy of the club rules so it is a good excuse for them to say, "I didn't know I should have taken my dog there ! ! ! "
I am very tollerant of dogs on sites but not the ones that incessantly yap or bark, although none at Longleat were anywhere near as noisy as Buster the male sealine in the lake close to the site. He 'barked' all day and all night long !
On a final note, perhaps the club should put up signs similar to the ones for dogs reading "Everyone loves your child . . on a lead". I agree with other sentiments that unruly children are as bad, if not worse, than dogs.
Regards
JohnM
hi all
I might be in a minority (nothing unusual there) but I dont mind paying extra for the dog
I might be in a minority (nothing unusual there) but I dont mind paying extra for the dog
Being a parent and a dog owner this topic seems simple!
It is not the dog, it is 100% the owner,
It is not the kid, it is the Adult
Control either and do not impose your responsibilities, or what you think is quaint/funny or mildly annoying onto anyone else.
This subject falls into campsite ASBO,s
Take responsibility for your responsibilities,
It is not the dog, it is 100% the owner,
It is not the kid, it is the Adult
Control either and do not impose your responsibilities, or what you think is quaint/funny or mildly annoying onto anyone else.
This subject falls into campsite ASBO,s
Take responsibility for your responsibilities,
Have to confess I have filled in the survey despite never having stayed on a CC site - we always use CL's because this is the type of 'getting away from it all' that we prefer, yes it is definately up to the owners to make sure their dogs don't upset others and to clear up any 'accidents' however I would agree that charging for dogs is yet another 'stealth tax' - as has been mentioned they do not use any of the facilities other than a tiny amount of water and as for 'dog walks' in my experience these have been a waste of space - usually I find my dogs don't do anything when I walk them there, preferring to wait until we have just left ! (Oh and I do always then clear anything up).
From reading this thread and the CC club mag letter one would think that CC club sites were seathing with uncontrolled canine packs yelping all night and liberaly manuring the pristine lawns.
I should point out that in my visits to CC sites this and last season all out of the main season, I found them a model of decorum, well kept, no wild hounds disturbing the peace and eating the babies, no unruly kids, and some half empty!! Not even a hint of Damon hill racing 4x4's.
The sites were:-
Plymouth sound twice.
Baltic Warfe 5 time.
Start bay once.
Tredegar house twice.
Modbury once
Dorset somewhere once.
Plus I forget.
Perhaps I could recommend these sites to the complainants.
Lets hope the Club doesn't listen too hard or perhaps the half empty sites will be 75% empty.
I should point out that in my visits to CC sites this and last season all out of the main season, I found them a model of decorum, well kept, no wild hounds disturbing the peace and eating the babies, no unruly kids, and some half empty!! Not even a hint of Damon hill racing 4x4's.
The sites were:-
Plymouth sound twice.
Baltic Warfe 5 time.
Start bay once.
Tredegar house twice.
Modbury once
Dorset somewhere once.
Plus I forget.
Perhaps I could recommend these sites to the complainants.
Lets hope the Club doesn't listen too hard or perhaps the half empty sites will be 75% empty.
Actually I've just read that strange letter of the month again and the writer of it says:
"We recently returned from a PLEASANT week at one of your Devon sites and noticed the increased nuber of dogs around."
Did the increased number of dogs therefore contribute to the pleasure of the writer's week?
This letter is just so strange as is the caravan club's response:
"We were very sorry to learn of your disappointment with aspects of your stay at a club site."
I cannot see anywhere that the writer mentions being dissapointed, it was afterall a pleasant week for him/her.
The CC really have had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a letter to promote their dog tax.
"We recently returned from a PLEASANT week at one of your Devon sites and noticed the increased nuber of dogs around."
Did the increased number of dogs therefore contribute to the pleasure of the writer's week?
This letter is just so strange as is the caravan club's response:
"We were very sorry to learn of your disappointment with aspects of your stay at a club site."
I cannot see anywhere that the writer mentions being dissapointed, it was afterall a pleasant week for him/her.
The CC really have had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a letter to promote their dog tax.
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