Caravan tyres

[Beachball]

The safety ledges fitted inside the rims on all wheels made in the last few decades is designed to achieve the same thing as Tyron bands (to prevent the tyre bead dropping into the centre well) - have ANY tests been done to compare the two?

Surviving a blowout with Tyrons fitted doesn't indicate how well the safety ledges would work on their own.

Put it this way when the Police came he said i was very lucky to be alive if i didn"t have those tyron bands on and that good enough for me . Look that your opinion

 

[Beachball]

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How do you know that the tyron bands were effective. It could have been because you had a well matched and sensibly loaded outfit. I too had a major nearside tyre blowout on a caravan when travelling at 55-60 mph down a dual carriageway between Monmouth and Newport. The first indication that I had was a loud rumble akin to being buzzed by a jumbo jet. Then in my nearside mirror I saw tyre shards being ejected I eased off and drew over but at all times there was no wobble from the car (generation 1 Mondeo estate ) or caravan. To this day I don’t know what caused the tyre to go as it was well in date. So most likely cause would be a puncture then overheating. TPMS would have indicated such a failure.

A Tyron Band will hold the wheel together in a Event of a Puncture / Blowout for long enough so you can get the vehicle to safety The actual band itself works by locking the tyre onto the wheel preventing the wheel itself from hitting the road and causing damage that could cost thousands to repair That should answer your question

 

[RogerL]

A Tyron Band will hold the wheel together in a Event of a Puncture / Blowout for long enough so you can get the vehicle to safety The actual band itself works by locking the tyre onto the wheel preventing the wheel itself from hitting the road and causing damage that could cost thousands to repair That should answer your question

The Tyron band works by stopping the tyre bead from dropping into the centre well - the same as safety ledges - there's no "locking to the wheel"

 

[Beachball]

The Tyron band works by stopping the tyre bead from dropping into the centre well - the same as safety ledges - there's no "locking to the wheel"

These details are all online Also you have your opinion
The Actual Band works by locking the Tyre onto the wheel Preventing the wheel itself from hitting the road .. And it also on camping and caravan club and they have reviews on it

 

[RogerL]

These details are all online Also you have your opinion
The Actual Band works by locking the Tyre to the wheel Preventing the wheel itself from hitting the road .. And it also on camping and caravan club and they have reviews on it

I think you've misunderstood what you've read - there is no locking of the tyre - the Tyron band covers the central well which is only needed during tyre fitting but would otherwise allow the tyre bead to drop back into the well during a blowout - the safety ledges achieve the same thing - it's not a matter of my opinion, that's how safety ledges and Tyrons work.

 

[otherclive]

These details are all online Also you have your opinion
The Actual Band works by locking the Tyre to the wheel Preventing the wheel itself from hitting the road .. And it also on camping and caravan club and they have reviews on it

It doesn’t lock the tyre to the wheel what others have said is correct. It just stops the tyres bead dropping into the rim well and hence should prevent the tyre coming off if the wheel.

 

[Raywood]

Basically we do not know if Tyron bands work. If you have them and suffer a blow out and everything is fine they may have worked. All you can do is look at the cost and the claims and decide for yourself if you feel the potential claimed benefits justify fitting them.
There is no easy or right answer to this.

 

[Beachball]

I think you've misunderstood what you've read - there is no locking of the tyre - the Tyron band covers the central well which is only needed during tyre fitting but would otherwise allow the tyre bead to drop back into the well during a blowout - the safety ledges achieve the same thing - it's not a matter of my opinion, that's how safety ledges and Tyrons work.

Actually Roger what i put down is word for word online so you are saying the person who wrote it has it wrong ?
The actual bands itself works by locking the tyre onto the wheel preventing the wheel itself from hitting the road I just read a review on Camping and caravan Club )
The bands work there ..

 

[Beachball]

It doesn’t lock the tyre to the wheel what others have said is correct. It just stops the tyres bead dropping into the rim well and hence should prevent the tyre coming off if the wheel.

Also Clive what i told Roger what i put down is word for word online so you are saying the person who wrote it has it wrong .
The Actual Bands itself works by locking the tyre onto the wheel preventing the wheel itself from hitting the road i have just read a review on Camping and caravan Club the bands work there

 

[Beachball]

Basically we do not know if Tyron bands work. If you have them and suffer a blow out and everything is fine they may have worked. All you can do is look at the cost and the claims and decide for yourself if you feel the potential claimed benefits justify fitting them.
There is no easy or right answer to this.

Actually there was no cost because i did not have any damage to the caravan so the bands must have work

 

[Gabsgrandad]

I used to have Tyron bands fitted for a year or two, only problem seemed to be tyre replacement, the garages/tyre suppliers in the main were clueless about removing/refitting tyres with Tyrons fitted. However that's a different tale. I/we did eventually get experience of a puncture with the bands fitted. Yes it/they did work. Set off on holiday one year done about 20/25 miles when the Freelander appeared to be losing power, kept depressing clutch and engine revved effortlessly, nothing appeared to be wrong, no alarms or warnings, van looked ok in mirrors. However car 'lacking' power. At 1st. opportunity pulled off road got out to investigate, walked round outfit and spotted tyre rather 'flat'. (See pictures) Fitted spare and proceeded to caravan dealer for new tyre, reulted in new rim as well. Got new wheel and proceeded on holiday. Yes the Tyron bands must have worked as I had no idea we had had a puncture til we stopped. However at our destination (after a shower or two) found all the 'gear' in the bottom of teh wardrobe soaked. Wheel arch liner wrecked obviously by 'flapping/disintigrating' rubber. So yes the band must have worked but removed them as I thought it preferable to know about a deflation as early as possible. ps. The bands are still in the garage!

 

[RogerL]

Actually Roger what i put down is word for word online so you are saying the person who wrote it has it wrong ?
The actual bands itself works by locking the tyre onto the wheel preventing the wheel itself from hitting the road I just read a review on Camping and caravan Club )
The bands work there ..

Tyron's own website uses the term lock but that's misleading and their illustrations seem to deliberately omit the safety ledges incorporated in all wheels.

The bands "work" in the sense of not allowing the tyre bead to drop into the fitting well - but that's exactly what the standard safety ledges do so the Tyrons are unneccessary.

 

[RogerL]

Actually there was no cost because i did not have any damage to the caravan so the bands must have work

The safety ledges worked, the tyre beads wouldn't have got as far as the Tyrons

 

[otherclive]

I used to have Tyron bands fitted for a year or two, only problem seemed to be tyre replacement, the garages/tyre suppliers in the main were clueless about removing/refitting tyres with Tyrons fitted. However that's a different tale. I/we did eventually get experience of a puncture with the bands fitted. Yes it/they did work. Set off on holiday one year done about 20/25 miles when the Freelander appeared to be losing power, kept depressing clutch and engine revved effortlessly, nothing appeared to be wrong, no alarms or warnings, van looked ok in mirrors. However car 'lacking' power. At 1st. opportunity pulled off road got out to investigate, walked round outfit and spotted tyre rather 'flat'. (See pictures) Fitted spare and proceeded to caravan dealer for new tyre, reulted in new rim as well. Got new wheel and proceeded on holiday. Yes the Tyron bands must have worked as I had no idea we had had a puncture til we stopped. However at our destination (after a shower or two) found all the 'gear' in the bottom of teh wardrobe soaked. Wheel arch liner wrecked obviously by 'flapping/disintigrating' rubber. So yes the band must have worked but removed them as I thought it preferable to know about a deflation as early as possible. ps. The bands are still in the garage!
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That’s almost what my tyre looked like without bands but it must have let go quickly and as I heard it I was able to pull over and no damage to the caravan.

 

[ProfJohnL]

Actually some years ago if i did not have Tyron bands on my caravan the damage would have been much worse Have you had a Blowout (Prof) because i have and lucky for my van i was able to guide it to safety . Also Kwik Fit are Mobile Technicians are fully trained and come fully equipped to handle all aspects of Tyron Bands on Caravan Tyres and are able to supply new Tyron Bands for retro-fitment to your caravan or replace your existing Tyron Bands

I'm sorry that you experienced a blow out. It is a very unnerving incident. I am pleased to read no one was injured and no serious damage ensued.

You obviously believe the bands contributed to the outcome, and as such were a worthwhile investment. That must be a comfort to you.

I do not deny that a blowout has the potential for some very serious consequences, and I doubt any realistic person would disagree with that position. Obviously I was not party to your own experience, but I do have doubts about your conclusion that you were safely delivered because of the bands.

The problem is, you have no idea how the event may have unfolded if you hadn't had the bands.

Modern wheels have bead retention ridges which have essentially the same function as tyre bands. So which actually held your tyre in place, Bands or ridges? Without forensic investigation We will never know.

I am all for the use of devices that improve safety, but it has to be evidence based and logical.

The tyre band manufacturer has published some advertising material. It plays to the fears of tyre blow outs, and demonstrates how some specialist vehicles respond with the bands fitted. It looks impressive (but that's advertising for you)
What it doesn't show is how the same vehicles would react without the bands fitted. This lacks professionalism that i believe all manufacturers of safety devices should demonstrate.

But the most telling fact is tyre bands have been around for several decades and have had plenty of opportunity to prove their worth. The lack of market penetration has to suggest there is little or no bone fide safety enhancement.

I will not be spending money on tyre bands for standard wheels, and I will recommend others to avoid the product until the manufacturer can conclusively prove there are benefits.

Some might feel it comforting having the bands fitted and that might be all the justification they need.

Drive carefully
PJL

 

[Beachball]

That’s almost what my tyre looked like without bands but it must have let go quickly and as I heard it I was able to pull over and no damage to the caravan.

He did not know he had a puncture so how far has been riding on the tyre like that ?

 

[Beachball]

The safety ledges worked, the tyre beads wouldn't have got as far as the Tyrons

Actually it did not mention any safety ledges or tyre beads so i thought the bands worked

 

[Robert_374373903]

There has been no verifiable evidence brought forward that shows tyre bands offer any benefit or advantage over normal wheels and tyres on domestic vehicles and caravans.

If these devices were as effective as the manufacture claims, then in the interests of safety car manufacturers would be forced into fitting them, in just the same way that ABS braking and seat-belts have become a statutory requirement.

If there was a significant problem with tyre deflation's where the vehicles needed these devices to come to a controlled stop, there would be far more manufacturers offering equivalent devices.

A tyre pressure monitoring system is a far more useful device, which is now a requirement on most new vehicles.

At least with a tyre band its not going to adversely affect the safety of a vehicle, though it may require specialist expertise to change tyres making repairs or replacement that bit more expensive. IT may be a cause of inconvenience if a tyre fitter cannot handle the bands.

Tyre bands are a product looking for a problem rather than solving one at actually exists. It is up to each individual if they wish to spend money on these ineffective products.

I was given to understand that Tyron bands hold the tyre on so not damaging the wheel arch component. Have seen one where it damaged severely the caravan and in my own caravan In France had a blowout which ripped the tyre and damaged the wheel which had Tyrons fitted.

 

[otherclive]

He did not know he had a puncture so how far has been riding on the tyre like that ?

If you read my earlier post I said that I noticed a rumble like a jumbo going above and looking in my cars nearside mirror I saw the tyre beginning to eject shards of rubber. Bands would not have stopped that. But my very badly damaged tyre did not come off of the rim. Nor was the caravan damaged. It’s impossible to know how far I’d driven with a tyre loosing pressure but there was no noticeable effect on the cars power or steering and the final event happened on a long downhill stretch so power demand was lower than on the flat or uphill.

 

[Lutz]

Tyres are General which I believe is the commercial brand of Continental.

General is the US subsidiary of Continental and is not specifically commercial. I've got Continental tyres with a 900kg load rating on my caravan.

Actually some years ago if i did not have Tyron bands on my caravan the damage would have been much worse Have you had a Blowout (Prof) because i have and lucky for my van i was able to guide it to safety .

How did you know that only Tyron bands prevented the worst from happening without experiencing an incident like that under the same conditions without them? I have experienced a blow-out on the caravan at motorway speeds and one on the car (solo) at 90mph (on a delimited stretch of the German autobahn. In both cases I wouldn't have known that it was a blow-out but for the big bang and seeing bits of rubber flying through the air in the rear view mirror.

 

[Lutz]

Tyron bands can't stop the tyre from disintegrating. At best they can stop the bead dropping into the wheel well (whatever good that does) but they can't restrain the tread, nor the tyre sidewalls.

 

[Hutch]

The Tyron band are designed to stop the deflated tyre from dropping into the wheel well, therefore not alowing it to leave the wheel but then letting the wheel rim, run on the deflated tyre .

 

[ProfJohnL]

I was given to understand that Tyron bands hold the tyre on so not damaging the wheel arch component. Have seen one where it damaged severely the caravan and in my own caravan In France had a blowout which ripped the tyre and damaged the wheel which had Tyrons fitted.

Tyre band do not secure the tyre, all they supposedly do is fill the "well" in the wheel rim and prevent the tyre bead falling into it, which is exactly why modern rims have a retention ridge built into them.

You have to look at the reason for a tyre "blow out". In most cases a blow out occurs when the tyre has been well used and is wearing out. This means the tyre wall is already weakened just by normal wear or possibly if the tyre has been driven whilst under inflated which rapidly increases side wall wear.

When a worn tyre blows out a its common for a significant length of tread to detach becasue the walls are weakened and once a tear starts it will propagate fairly easily. It will flail about regardless of whether tyre bands are fitted or not. and it is entirely possible for it to do damage to caravans body work.

The major tyre band manufacture demonstrates blow outs by exploding a charge in one localised spot on the tyre wall, this is a very unnatural type of damage (except for military vehicles taking fire). the integrity of the rest of tyre is sufficient to hold the tread for a short while - enough to allow the vehicle to come to a stop.

Many military vehicle do not have retention ridges on their rims so the tyre band can make a difference for them.

I don't know of any caravanners who pitch on firing ranges, do you?

 

[Lutz]

The Tyron band are designed to stop the deflated tyre from dropping into the wheel well, therefore not alowing it to leave the wheel but then letting the wheel rim, run on the deflated tyre .

A deflated tyre won't stay in one piece for very long. More likely than not it will disintegrate before one has a chance to come to a standstill. It was certainly like that when I experienced a blowout. The tyre looked much like the one in the photo that Gabsgrandad posted and, as a left the motorway, I even had to negotiate a bend in the slip road with the blown out tyre. Despite all, the outfit behaved impeccably even without Tyron bands.

 

[Beachball]

A deflated tyre won't stay in one piece for very long. More likely than not it will disintegrate before one has a chance to come to a standstill. It was certainly like that when I experienced a blowout. The tyre looked much like the one in the photo that Gabsgrandad posted and, as a left the motorway, I even had to negotiate a bend in the slip road with the blown out tyre. Despite all, the outfit behaved impeccably even without Tyron bands.

Hi i think you need to read what Gabsgrandad has put down ("Yes the Tyron Bands must have worked" as i had no idea we had had a puncture )