Common Rail ?

[MONKEY1]

Giovanni

As ever you engage before research, firstly the Vauxhall Vivaro, is powered by a Renault Engine if you want proof - What Van .co.uk does a nice line in specs etc

Do a search on yahoo for IBC Luton and it gives you all sorts of facts such as one of the productive van plants in Europe - 800K units exports all over the world a success story for the UK automotive scene.

As for Bosch they may well come from the same supplier but I relate a story

Back in the 90's both Rover and Vauxhall sourced their batteries from the same supplier both paid within

 

[Lutz]

This thread has gone a bit off-topic so just a short note:

The Renault engine in the Vivaro is also a coomon rail diesel.

 

[MONKEY1]

Lutz,

I knew all the time that the engine is CR - as you are a pretty respected authority in these areas can you tell me what vans Vauxhall have put Fiat engines into - I cannot think of one - but am happy to be corrected by yourself. I know that they use/have used Isuzu power plants but am at a loss with the Fiat one.

Cheers

Monkeys Husband

 

[giovanni_5060838]

Lutz,

I knew all the time that the engine is CR - as you are a pretty respected authority in these areas can you tell me what vans Vauxhall have put Fiat engines into - I cannot think of one - but am happy to be corrected by yourself. I know that they use/have used Isuzu power plants but am at a loss with the Fiat one.

Cheers

Monkeys Husband

yes i make mistakes.

maf, why not tell the whole story, vw have now started after many years and complaints to offer a service of exchange mafs

at a large discount,this is NOT something that has been on offer

from day one or for that matter year 1,2,3,4,5,6. of knowing

of said problem. you then quote

 

[MONKEY1]

yes i make mistakes.

maf, why not tell the whole story, vw have now started after many years and complaints to offer a service of exchange mafs

at a large discount,this is NOT something that has been on offer

from day one or for that matter year 1,2,3,4,5,6. of knowing

of said problem. you then quote

 

[MONKEY1]

No I said

 

[Lutz]

I'm not from the powertrain side so my info in this area may not be 100% correct, but as far as I know, the only Fiat engine, or to be more accurate, Fiat based engine is the 1.9 common rail fitted to current Astras, Zafiras and Vectras. To my knowledge, Opel/Vauxhall don't buy this engine from Fiat but produce a derivative of it themselves.

 

[giovanni_5060838]

I'm not from the powertrain side so my info in this area may not be 100% correct, but as far as I know, the only Fiat engine, or to be more accurate, Fiat based engine is the 1.9 common rail fitted to current Astras, Zafiras and Vectras. To my knowledge, Opel/Vauxhall don't buy this engine from Fiat but produce a derivative of it themselves.

its produced at there shared factory in poland, 1910 cc same as

all fiats have been since 96.

 

[giovanni_5060838]

No I said

 

[VIP2006]

if you want a car buy a german make and one preferably made in germany. if you want a car with style buy a german car preferably made in Germany syled by an Italian and if you want to be handbagged buy Italian as they use the most soft of leathers. I love german cars and Italian cooking and wait for the day when the lottery comes good for me and then I will buy a small villa in Italy to which I will commute between UK and Italy on a regular basis and whilst waiting for my pasta cooked by a local old lady I will drive my big Mercedes with a CR Diesel engine or will it be my red Ferrari which is made by the fiat company.

I often think that Italian Fiat cars are made better when the turin football clubs are doing well and who betide you if you if you buy a car if the have been beaten at the time.

 

[MONKEY1]

Giovanni certainly not clutching at straws -

The survey I referred to isn't based on emotion thank god but the result that are taken from the UK's largest warranty supplier and how much they have paid out to garages main-dealer or independent.

Secondly I live a reasonable distance from my sister and didn't have the chance to look at the car. Diagnosing a blown MAF when it could be a frozen EGR or something else is pretty easy to do.

As I said when the fault originally occurred it was with lots of lights and a recommendation to proceed to a dealer as that's what the hand book says - Sister isn't technically minded. Also you would expect a main dealer to have a greater knowledge of ECU fault than an independent , access to the correct diagnostic equipment is vital.

Whether or not the ECU issues and the MAF are linked I' don't know .what I do know is that the car is back on the road as it should be. Just an observation but the internet isn't over stocked with Fiat mail order specialists. I would be interested to know the independent rate for it out of curiosity

Regards Monkeys Mate

 

[giovanni_5060838]

if you want a car buy a german make and one preferably made in germany. if you want a car with style buy a german car preferably made in Germany syled by an Italian and if you want to be handbagged buy Italian as they use the most soft of leathers. I love german cars and Italian cooking and wait for the day when the lottery comes good for me and then I will buy a small villa in Italy to which I will commute between UK and Italy on a regular basis and whilst waiting for my pasta cooked by a local old lady I will drive my big Mercedes with a CR Diesel engine or will it be my red Ferrari which is made by the fiat company.

I often think that Italian Fiat cars are made better when the turin football clubs are doing well and who betide you if you if you buy a car if the have been beaten at the time.

now that worries me... could it be nearer to the truth

come on juve...

 

[giovanni_5060838]

Giovanni certainly not clutching at straws -

The survey I referred to isn't based on emotion thank god but the result that are taken from the UK's largest warranty supplier and how much they have paid out to garages main-dealer or independent.

Secondly I live a reasonable distance from my sister and didn't have the chance to look at the car. Diagnosing a blown MAF when it could be a frozen EGR or something else is pretty easy to do.

As I said when the fault originally occurred it was with lots of lights and a recommendation to proceed to a dealer as that's what the hand book says - Sister isn't technically minded. Also you would expect a main dealer to have a greater knowledge of ECU fault than an independent , access to the correct diagnostic equipment is vital.

Whether or not the ECU issues and the MAF are linked I' don't know .what I do know is that the car is back on the road as it should be. Just an observation but the internet isn't over stocked with Fiat mail order specialists. I would be interested to know the independent rate for it out of curiosity

Regards Monkeys Mate

shop4parts, are one that i use.

in all fairness, try a fiat forum, as thats whats so great about

the internet they should know some of the better dealers/specialist and parts suppliers.

as for the dealers having the better equipement for finding

faults, well my vectra had the em, light comming on and cutting

the power. 3 visits to the local dealer and 300 pounds later

gave up with them, and after 14 months of the problem still being there, and also this was the car i decided would be used

for towing. i had a chat with my local garage who swore blind

that they used a self employed chap for these type of issues,

and what do you know same info different result.

some sensor that checks barometric pressure was the caurse.

but all of this didn't mean my vectra was a bad car, it was electronic and the dealer was... well no good.

have you checked what warranty you get with a maf? bet its not

more than 30000 miles... if it does have a mileage limit.

car sorted

 

[MONKEY1]

shop4parts, are one that i use.

in all fairness, try a fiat forum, as thats whats so great about

the internet they should know some of the better dealers/specialist and parts suppliers.

as for the dealers having the better equipement for finding

faults, well my vectra had the em, light comming on and cutting

the power. 3 visits to the local dealer and 300 pounds later

gave up with them, and after 14 months of the problem still being there, and also this was the car i decided would be used

for towing. i had a chat with my local garage who swore blind

that they used a self employed chap for these type of issues,

and what do you know same info different result.

some sensor that checks barometric pressure was the caurse.

but all of this didn't mean my vectra was a bad car, it was electronic and the dealer was... well no good.

have you checked what warranty you get with a maf? bet its not

more than 30000 miles... if it does have a mileage limit.

car sorted

Giovanni,

Touch-wood I haven't had much experience of garages recently although a guy who works with me took his 5 year old Focus into an independent after he experience problems starting after a run. Their Snap On machine came up with 179 yes 179 error codes. Suggested it's a solenoid and said they would order the part.

3 days later exactly the same thing happened 80 miles from home in a petrol station lucky opposite a ford dealer pushed over to the dealer they plug it into their machines and it comes up with 4 codes. Plugged into the computer for 30 minutes it starts first time every time now.

I guess it's the same for everyone find a good garage and stick with them.

That MAF on shop for parts is

 

[JohnI.Stephen]

Is the Commopn Rail Diesel in a KIA Sorento really manufactured by Mercedes? Someone mentioned this in an older thread realting specifically to their views of the Sorento; but is it true?

John

 

[rob_jax]

John,

The current Mercedes Euro 4 compliant diesel engines are all common rail Turbo diesels, available in the following engine sizes:

A 2.2 litre in two states of tune fitted to the C-Class as the C200 (130 bhp) and C220 (150 bhp)

A 3 litre V6 in two states of tune fitted to the C-Class, E-Class and M-Class as the E280 (190 bhp), and the C320, E320, and M320 (240 bhp and 7 speed auto box)

The 2.7 litre 5 cylinder diesel fitted to my C270 (190 bhp) and also the M270, is Euro 3 compliant engine and consequently is discontinued for the 2006 model year.

None of these is a 2.5 litre.

However Mercedes do own Chrysler, and Chrysler do build a 2.5 litre Common Rail Diesel in the Voyager which has remarkably similar power outputs to the 2.5 diesel Sorento.

So is it a Mercedes engine? No, it's not one of the current range - but it could well be the Chrysler engine.

Robert

 

[JohnI.Stephen]

Robert :

Thanks. I just rather liked the idea of it being a Mercedes engine; snob value probably !!

Thanks

John

 

[PaulCopaul]

I'm not from the powertrain side so my info in this area may not be 100% correct, but as far as I know, the only Fiat engine, or to be more accurate, Fiat based engine is the 1.9 common rail fitted to current Astras, Zafiras and Vectras. To my knowledge, Opel/Vauxhall don't buy this engine from Fiat but produce a derivative of it themselves.

the guys at my garage call my 2.5 td in the frontera a Italian boat engine,but its certainly got the umph!