CRIS Registration problem

[Lutz]

Just don’t confuse the chassis number with the caravan manufacturer’s VIN.

 

[Buckman]

Just don’t confuse the chassis number with the caravan manufacturer’s VIN.

When were VIN used on caravans as this is a 1986 caravan?

 

[otherclive]

I wonder if CRIS would accept Alpha dot, Datatool or Blue Water anti theft registration systems as a means of uniquely identifying the caravan. Alternatively has the OP contacted owners clubs of older caravans to ascertain how they insured their pre CRIS caravans.

CRIS even market such things but I guess they are linked to the VIN…… catch 22.

 

[Lutz]

When were VIN used on caravans as this is a 1986 caravan?

17 digit VINs as we know them today didn’t appear on caravans until later, but the manufacturer will always have issued a specific identifier according to his own numbering system before proper VINs appeared.

 

[Dustydog]

I'm sorry to pour cold water on this thread, but in the opening post Leslie wrote he needed a "serial number" . A s/n or identification mark by definition has to be unique to just one caravan.


The number that has been shown seems to have appeared on at least two caravans, which means it's not unique! And thus it can't be a "serial number"

I and Beachball quoted numbers, not the same. Mine was taken from Caravan Talk, a chap asking the same question years ago.
His was
185/0362.
Are these the two numbers?

I am told, no evidence, it means made 1985 and was the 362nd off the line. Logically seems reasonable.

 

[Buckman]

Back in the eighties no need to identify a caravan with any number as it was classed as a trailer and still is a trailer however now the trailer has a a VIN number. No caravan whether brand new or second hand is obliged to have a CRIS number.

 

[otherclive]

Looking at the OPs first post he doesn’t say it’s required for insurance, it seems it’s more for peace of mind. So if it can’t be registered using the normal CRIS procedure he could use alternative registration/identity options such as mentioned in my above post.

 

[Lutz]

Back in the eighties no need to identify a caravan with any number as it was classed as a trailer and still is a trailer however now the trailer has a a VIN number. No caravan whether brand new or second hand is obliged to have a CRIS number.

Whether classed as a trailer or as a box on wheels it would have been in the manufacturer’s own interest to issue his own serial number.

 

[Dustydog]

Looking at the OPs first post he doesn’t say it’s required for insurance, it seems it’s more for peace of mind. So if it can’t be registered using the normal CRIS procedure he could use alternative registration/identity options such as mentioned in my above post.

I suppose he could make a number🙀

 

[Buckman]

Looking at the OPs first post he doesn’t say it’s required for insurance, it seems it’s more for peace of mind. So if it can’t be registered using the normal CRIS procedure he could use alternative registration/identity options such as mentioned in my above post.

He does mention it in #12.

 

[RogerL]

Back in the eighties no need to identify a caravan with any number as it was classed as a trailer and still is a trailer however now the trailer has a a VIN number. No caravan whether brand new or second hand is obliged to have a CRIS number.

Back in the '80s every caravan did have a serial number - if only so that the manufacturer could keep track of warranty work - usually stamped into the offside A-frame members - but whether that's still readable after 40 years is another issue.

 

[ProfJohnL]

I was not aware that the caravan in question had already been registered with CRIS? Anyway the insurance are asking for a serial number and not a CRIS number.

Again, you have deliberatly twisted what I wrote.

I did not say the OP's caravan had been previous registered. I referred to the possibility the reason the register asked for information about the caravan even if it had been manufactured prior to the establishment of the Register was in cast a previous owner might have registered it. This would avoid duplication, the bain of databases

 

[Buckman]

This true, but someone may have already registered an older caravan, and are now selling it, so it would have a cris indentity

You did mention it in your post which is why I responded with the appropriate post.. I don't think I twisted your words as you say "once again"!

 

[otherclive]

He does mention it in #12.

Yes, but they are only looking for something to identify it, so perhaps identity dots which are unique and traceable and only a 1mm or so diameter, or blue water. Wonder what other owners of vintage caravans do, with their insurers?

 

[Dustydog]

Yes, but they are only looking for something to identify it, so perhaps identity dots which are unique and traceable and only a 1mm or so diameter, or blue water. Wonder what other owners of vintage caravans do, with their insurers?

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what number he gives them. Do you really think the Insurers have a list of his caravan numbers? Ask them!
What's happened here, I suspect, is a work from home trainee is following a screen dump script and has no leeway to deviate or use common sense.