Further to James's post above here are the posts from www.soapysmiths.com
I hope that due to the concerns raised here that the mods run with this, and I'm sure Soapy Smiths will be happy to get some of the facts further out in the open.
"James at 14:27:44 on 01/03/2008 asks:
"Soapy, can you shed any light on the Bailey / Care-avan saga as many members on many web site forums would be most interested. James"
Soapy Says:
Hi James,
With reference to claims and statements made by a certain supplier of caravan cleaning products, Soapy Smiths would comment as follows:
It has been implied as a statement of fact that the use of Fenwick's products on Bailey caravans will invalidate the manufacturer's warrantee.
If this where true, it would be such an important issue that surely Bailey's would have issued a written statement to all their existing customers for whom they have a full data base. They would also have made this issue clear in the official handbook provided with all new units. To our knowledge no such statement has been issued by Bailey's to their customers, therefore there can be no truth in the implied statement.
It has been implied as a statement of fact that Bailey Caravans have only approved the use of one specific brand of cleaner and that the use of any other brand will have a damaging effect on a Bailey unit leading to the invalidation of the manufacturers warrantee. A letter dated 4th September 2007 from Chris Harvey - Financial Director of Bailey Caravans has been posted on the certain suppliers web site in suport of this implied statement.
As above, if this where true then the statement would have been made by Bailey Caravans themselves. Existing customers would have been contacted directly or via the dealer network, new customers by mention in the official Bailey handbook (to our knowledge no such statement or recomendation appears in this handbook). Also one would assume that, if true, such an important issue would have been covered in leading periodicals. Soapy Smiths would also recommend reading the actual wordage of the Chris Harvey letter. See for yourself what this says, there is no condemnation of other brands and no sugestion that to use alternative brands invalidates the units warrantee.
It has been claimed as a statement of fact, via the Practical Caravan web site forum, 17 FEb 2008, 10.16 PM posted by The Polish King, that, to quote The Polish King "..both The Caravan Club and Camping & Caravaning Clubs are recommending Care-avan Cleaning Products to All Members...". Reference has also then been made specifically to page 98 of the March issue of the Caravan Club magazine.
The Caravan Club and the Camping & Caravaning Club are both impartial and independant organisations. As such it is our understanding that they do not make recomendations to their many members regarding specific individual suppliers or specific individual products. A quick look at the mentioned article clearly reveals there is no recomendation and to claim it does is, in the opinion of Soapy Smiths, an insult to such a highly respected organisation and its members.
It is clear, in the opinion of Soapy Smiths, that a certain supplier is trying to promote their own products via, among other avenues, web site forums by "having a go" at their competitors and by making unsubstantiated claims on behalf of major caravan manufacturers. This certain supplier has already had postings removed from such forums for blatant advertising. It is the considered opinion of Soapy Smiths that this method of marketing shows a distinct lack of confidence in the suppliers own product. Using scare tactics to try to force customers to use specific product, "to use any other cleaner will invalidate the warrantee", especially when not true, is not a road down which Soapy Smiths or any other reputable supplier would want to go.
Soapy Smiths would say quite clearly to all existing and potential customers:
"Use whichever product suits your individual requirements and standards. If it works for you and you are happy with the results then fine. Don't let any supplier scare you into using their particular brand. Use your own considered judgement based on true facts and all the available information. Don't rely on claims made by suppliers on behalf of major unit manufacturers, especially when the unit manufacturers makes no such claims themselves.
If you want to question a specific products effect on the warrantee of your unit, ask the unit manufacturer directly, they are the only ones qualified to make a firm statement on the invalidation of their warrantee. No third party can make such unilateral statements or claims.
Does using Fenwick's products invalidate your unit manaufacturer's warrantee ?
Don't take the word of one specific supplier as the gospel truth, ask your units manufacturer for a written statement of fact."
Omf at 20:49:34 on 31/07/2007 asks:
" would it be possible to see Fenwick's statement re Bailey's"
Soapy Says:
Yes certainly,and here it is short and sweet.
"Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner does not cause damage to acrylic capped ABS as used by Bailey Caravans. This has been proved by Fenwick's own testing and also by independent testing carried out by Hull University and Geocel Ltd. Thompson Plastics (the manufacturer of the material used by Bailey Caravans) also commissioned independent testing, which found that "the material (Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner) is not deleterious to capped ABS in the relaxed condition".
After many years using this capped ABS material, Bailey Caravans have been unable to provide any evidence that Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner has caused any damage to their caravans. Despite the limited amount of warranty problems encountered by Bailey Caravans, not a single one has been found to be caused by Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner or other associated FEnwick's products.
In fact Fenwick's products fully comply with Bailey's warranty information, Thompson Plastics (materials moulder) warranty information and the material manufactures warranty information.
So if anyone beleives that Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner could viod the warranty of a correctly manufactured and fitted part, they are sadly mistaken"
Statement from Jonathon Smith B.Eng Director
Fenwick's Ltd."
Seems sad to me that someone who claims to be religeous acts in such a strange way.
Jason